June 13, 2009, 4:35 PM.
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Participants: Joanne (Tyl), Paul (Caroll), Caryn (Hayo), Joyce (Rosalie), Denise (Andies), Frieda (Brenda), Gordon (Gilbert), Nardine (Daisy - Heathcote Vic, Australia), and Rumi the cat.
We had another excellent Rose session this past Saturday after a two month hiatus in which Jo and I took a much needed vacation to Maui and celebrated our 20th wedding anniversary. Also, my mother (Frieda) was visiting us and participated.
Rose opened the floor to questions right away, and put me on the spot to ask my questions, as I hadn’t spoken objectively to Rose since before vacation. I asked several questions about recent dreams and related imagery. For example, a blue-jay recently appeared who perches on the top branch of a tree outside of my writing studio window. For the past three weeks this blue-jay (which just appeared for the first time this morning as I write this!), always appears at a crucial time during my work on the Seth book. There have been times when I’m wrestling with a storyline, or concept, or need to find the exact quote, and when I look up this blue-jay is sitting on that top branch, just hanging out, looking over my house.
Bird imagery is strongly associated with the essence of Rose, and the color blue with Elias. So the bird’s timely appearances always remind me that the answers I seek are right in front of me, trust and allow, and a solution always appears. It’s uncanny, and comforting at the same time, as though I conjure this bird from the knowhere and it helps me to settle down and continue my focus on problem solving.
Rose responded that this is indeed her energy being lovingly expressed and imagery of Elias as well, and that there’s no separation within essence which offers helpfulness all the time. Even though I intuited this, it was helpful to get Rose’s perspective.
Frieda asked several questions about her issues in coping with my father’s Alzheimer’s, as he’s now in the “end stage,” and it’s been a long hard road for us all, but especially her, as she is on the front line. They discussed her need to “let go of things” because she holds onto her own stress and emotions which create muscle soreness in her arms and legs. She also needed to speak her mind to the powers-that-be in her retirement home who could always improve their services.
There was a long exchange and she got very emotional, as this healped her process deep issues that need to be addressed. Rose showed great care and compassion in helping her cope with my dad’s approaching death. It’s been a real challenge on multiple fronts.
Joyce chimed in and echoed some of Frieda’s issues as she has been dealing with a sick husband and her own health and financial issues during the recession. I marveled at how both women shared personal info and Rose guided them.
Rose said that pain and suffering exist to help us love ourselves more, and that they (and body symptoms) are a communication to pay attention to what you’re creating so that you can let go of what you can’t control, like extra baggage that’s become too heavy to hold onto any longer.
We broke at 5:50 PM. and feasted on a delicious dinner of shrimp jambalaya, corn bread, garden and fruit salads, and the usual assortment of beverages.
We resumed at 6:36 PM. and Rose began a dissertation on how to Love YourSelf into the Next Phase (this month’s podcast). Three simple steps will allow you to address to what issues you face as you navigate the changes in your life and deal with the shift in consciousness. They are:
1. “Worldify” yourSelf – express that “I am the world” and literally feal your connection to all things in your world and your rightful place in it (use music to explore this; Nardine posted a great link in the RoseVine to a music video on YouTube that expresses this idea perfectly).
2. Love yourSelf into the next phase – literally love yourSelf, and begin to take small steps toward whatever changes you need to make.
3. Adopt the belief that moving through your changes will be different, not difficult.
Denise asked a question about how to get “out of the box” to help her deal with a difficult work situation and her need to make some changes. Rose provided a long answer, but in short, she mentioned her treantea practice, which is to explore multiple probable outcomes with focused intention to seek new choices obscured by our limiting beliefs and automatic responses. In other words, take ten minutes, slow down, and imagine what all of your choices are, no matter how impossible, silly, or stupid they may seem at first. Don’t deny anything, put everything on the table and playfully consider the outcomes.
There was a lot more, and that will come out when the transcript is made available (we’ve just started on the 2009 sessions so please be patient or volunteer to help us catch up!).
Overall, I was struck by how the group felt comfortable enough to confront personal issues because Rose creates a very loving, safe, and nurturing environment in which to address these kinds of things. The tone of the session was very therapeutic, and released pent up fears and uncertainty.
We ended to 7:23 PM. and bid Nardine a wonderful Sunday morning Down Under in Heathcote Vic.
Denise also brought a gift – she made a 20 minute DVD on her Mac of our recent Maui adventure set to some of our favorite Hawaiian songs. It was beautiful, and the group enjoyed the guided tour. Jo and I had a wonderful time and revisited the places we stayed in 2007 when Rose had been in our lives for only a month (see Shock’n’Awe).
Finally, Jo did several short privates afterward on our Sun Porch, where she speaks to participants for 15-30 minutes. So that’s another interesting benefit of coming to a group session in person. Jo’s happy to do them.
We ended around 10:15 PM., said, “Goodnight” to our guests, cleaned up, and turned into pumpkins.
April 11, 2009, 4:37 PM.
Participants: Joanne (Tyl), Paul (Caroll), Caryn, Joyce (Rosalie), Denise (Andies), Gordon (Gilbert), Nardine (Daisy - Heathcote Vic, Australia), and Rumi the cat.
Rose was in her usual, humorous, testy form last Saturday evening. She opened with a short dissertation on the nature of celebrations in light of Passover and Easter. While she focused on the divine feminine or goddess energies, she did so in a way that didn’t diminish masculine energies, but sought integration and balance.
There were a lot of excellent questions and comments, as Rose opened the floor to the group after about five minutes. Rather than elaborate, you can listen to this week’s Podcast called “New Ways to Celebrate” for details. It’s our longest to date (over 77 minutes), and centers on the celebration and divine feminine themes. The basic idea is to help all of us, men and women, to thrive in new ways, and to follow our way of spirit. At times we need to go it alone, and at times we need to do it together.
The Podcast is also a good example of what a full Rose session is like, as it includes the opening, break, and farewell portions. So if you haven’t participated in a Rose group session to date, or if you know someone who’s thinking of participating, this is a good one to listen to.
Another feature of this week’s group was the three distinct generations present. Joyce is working on The Grandmother’s Project with the United Nations in several countries, and brought her crone perspective. She’s a member of “The Greatest Generation.” Caryn is the youngest, a “Gen-Yer” who is wise beyond her years.
The rest of us are “Baby Boomers” who could easily be Caryn’s parents, and Joyce’s kids. So there was a wonderful depth of perspectives and experience present. Of course, Rose is a bit older than all of us, but Zen her timeless perspective keeps us on our toes!
We took our break from 5:21 to 6:03 PM., and feasted on cheese and crackers, deviled eggs, roast beef pasta salad, carrot cake with sour-cream icing frosted with coconut and garnished with egg candies (that Jo made). We washed it down with the usual assortment of wines, waters, and teas. It was truly a Passover/Easter celebration.
The funniest part was after the break when Nardine came back on the conference call, and said she had talked to her husband Pete about the first half. He suggested a “Tarts on the Town” evening, a sort of girl’s night out based on Rose’s comments. We all had a good laugh imagining fun ways for the ladies to do that, and know that will make it into one of the “theme headers” for this session.
Toward the end, Denise asked a “crystal ball” question about someone she met recently, and Rose said she doesn’t answer those kinds of questions. Instead, she reinforced the need to be in touch with her own desires, reduce her fears, trust and allow things to unfold naturally, address these aspects of her creations, and the rest will follow.
I asked about a couple of recent dreams that dealt with underwater imagery. The first dream was from Saturday morning, so it was very fresh. Essentially, I had been exploring an exciting, exotic underwater locale, and was part of a very large craft that had a lot of people on it. At one point, I became aware of my breathing apparatus, and marveled at its construction, function, and the sweet taste of oxygen that allowed me to breathe effortlessly. This is a recurring dreamscape, and the fealing-tone is always exhilarating and one of immanent discovery.
Rose said that there was an essence connection in terms of being immersed in essence, a kind of sontering my essence. Also, there were “protection from death” beliefs being addressed, as well as a future sub-mariner focus bleeding through. He pursues a kind of underwater “skiing” that’s very exciting to him.
I mentioned a second dreamscape from several weeks ago in which I was near the surface of a large vessel with two men who were teaching me to swim underwater. They handed me a face mask and breathing apparatus, and I felt very comfortable and exotic breathing underwater.
And yet, in this scenario, I had trouble seeing the men, and couldn’t go more than five feet under, as the whole environment grew muddy and difficult to sustain. I connected this to my Seth book, which is now three quarters finished (I’ve had a string of books dreams throughout the writing process since late December. I mentioned humorously that I could write a book on the dreams involved while writing a book, but that’s another project!).
Rose commented that my book work allows me to focus on self in new and exciting ways, and that the muddy waters won’t continue or dominate (as witnessed by the latest dream, which was very deep and clear).
Denise connected my mouthpiece imagery (breathing apparatus) to being a mouthpiece for the Seth Material, in terms of translating those ideas into a single book, and making it easier for them to read the Seth books.
That’s one connection I didn’t make myself, and why it’s great to have group feedback on dream imagery, because something new always bubbles up (pun intended ;-).
I also asked a question about the end of last month’s group session in which Rose said we’d all experience “a big surprise this week, a good one.” There were two main directions that could go – some kind of shared mass event or private personal experiences. For instance, I had a financial stock make a significant and unexpected rise during that week, but nothing earth-shattering on the mass event front.
Caryn noticed that she paid more attention to the news during that week, but ironically had a week that was so “bad” it turned out good as she processed things. Jo and Nardine didn’t report anything out of the ordinary.
Rose pointed out it was one of her tests (surprise!) – an exercise to learn to be open to good things that always await us, but we often block out because of preconceived notions and expectations that blind us to the miracles that always surround us.
Rose closed by saying she’d quiz the group on what we come up with in terms of ways to share the divine feminine with each other (another test). While there are no quizzes at Rose sessions (you can’t pass or fail a Rose session!), there are “tests” – exercises to help us discern new ways to thrive and follow our ways of spirit. Never a dull moment for sure!
We finished at 7:05 PM. and had spirited conversations until 9:30-ish, when Jo and I bid our guests good evening, cleaned up, and turned into pumpkins.
The next group session won’t be until June 13th because I have to finish my book draft and send it to the publisher by the end of May. We’ll also be in Maui for two weeks in May celebrating our 20th anniversary and 2nd anniversary with Rose. We’ll spend a week in the same cottage in Hana where the Rose agenda was written. My mom will be in town in June, so if you’re in the area, do stop by to say hello and join us!
Finally, we published four transcripts during the last month, over sixty pages of material. Three of them are privates, so they provide yet another window in those kinds of interactions with Rose. Enjoy!
“Taking on the Fears for Others as a Mode of Healing”
“Meditation is Sexy!”
“You Carry Heaven in You”
Session 262 (Private/Phone)
Saturday, June 28, 2008
“Wanting the Fear to Move You into New Ways”
“Allow Laughter When You Get To Fear Things”
“Transition Is the Best Way to Travel”
Session 305 (Private/Webcam-Phone)
Friday, November 14, 2008
“Heart-Sense”
“Shaping Laws through ‘Gin Running in Spirit’”
“Jim Jones and Trusting Self to be your own Authority”
“There are Many Big and Small Ways to be Leaders”
“Our Goddess Heart-Self Natures”
“Fears Are Discouraged Aspects of Self”
Session 306 (Group/Dinner & A Dead Gal)
Saturday, November 22, 2008
“Drugs Need to be Properly Applied”
“Fears Dissipate on Your Way of Spirit”
“The Way of Spirit is a Very Senxy Affair”
Session 314 (Private/Phone)
Saturday, December 20, 2008
March 14, 2009, 4:38 PM.
Participants: Joanne, Paul, Caryn, Nardine (Heathcote Vic, Australia), Christoph (Graz, Austria), and Rumi the cat.
Rose opened with a monologue that helped to flesh out what she calls “the Contrary self.” Rather than elaborate, I’ll just include a link to the Podcast called Exposing YourSelf [46:33] because it covers the first half, and the start of the second. The title conjures up all sorts of imagery, and the mind races with double entendres, though Rose humorously said this didn’t deal directly with nudity!
This was also an unusual session in many ways. Even though we had our smallest group to date I was struck by the constant energetic exchange I experience when engaging Rose. I call it being in “the mirror of self,” and I experience a kind of “remembrance of essence” that triggers a certain subjective fealing-tone that’s like opening a doorway that stirs clearer inner communications. In other words, I enter an altered state during these sessions, and it’s much easier to recognize these days.
Maya, our girl kitty, usually hides in the bed room during a group session. However, last night she was “trapped” outside of our bedroom because Jo was already “resting-in-Rose” to get ready for the session and the door was closed. When Caryn showed up, Maya dashed under the living room couch and ended up spending her first session with us!
Further, Rose made a strange comment at the end of the first half that she would deal with “northbound traffic” in the second half. Given her testy nature, we weren’t sure what to make of it. However, no one brought it up during the second half and Rose didn’t return to it.
So after we said good-byes to Nardine and Christoph on the phone, we remembered the comment, and decided to ask Rose about it. She returned and said that it was not intended as a big deal, just as a foreshadowing (she used the word “prophecy”) of the “direction” of some of the questions for the second half. Rose also elaborated that “northbound” had to do with “ascending” or inner focused energies in relation to “descending” or physically manifest energies.
Caryn admitted having a question about ascending energies earlier but she decided not to ask it, and Christoph asked about energy centers in relation to essence and the physical body in the second half. So those seemed like hits in hindsight.
Even stranger was Rose’s parting comments. She usually summarizes, encourages us all in our “way of spirit,” and says adieu. But last night she offered a cryptic, yet titillating parting thought, namely “you will get a very big promise of a very big sort of news in the air. Okay? We’ll be very broadly defining a big surprise this week, a good one. Okay? Not a bad one. We’ll leave you with that.”
We’ve learned not to take these kinds of statements too literally, as it could be another one of her tests. Yet based on experience, it will likely become startlingly obvious as events unfold during the coming week for participants. Whether it’s a mass event we all share, or we each have synchronous “surprises” remains to be seen (which was my impression during morning mediation). But it was another “prophetic” statement, and the first time she did that to end a session.
Earlier, Nardine asked about Sylvia’s autotyping that’s been published in the Inner Visions Journal forum, and also a bit in the recent Sethnet Journal called From Dark to Light. Rose was very encouraging of Sylvia, and anyone else learning to hone their channeling abilities.
I also pointed out that Lloyd, aka Grey Bear, Ellen Gilbert, Erich Helfrich (my brother) and Emmy van Swaaij have also shared their beginning channelings in the Inner Visions Journal. So that’s a safe and nurturing place for people to experiment, and put their early musings to get group feedback, encouragement, and interpretation. Rose also talked about creating a “channeling school,” though not one of bricks and mortar, but a virtual one connected by web presences like NWV, Skype, and other emerging communications technologies.
Rose finished by reminding us that “practice makes perfect,” because our abilities need to be honed and developed.
I also had very intense, vivid, and lucid dreamscapes from @3:30-6:45 AM when I woke up Sunday morning. The early dreamscapes dealt with familiar themes of wrestling, golf, and swimming underwater. When I woke up to pee @3:45 PM, I was still so deep in the sleep state that I couldn’t recall what I had done the previous night! It was like being inside a veil. But after a minute or two, I realized we had held a Rose session, and it hit me that I was subjectively processing her themes as well as the recent research I’ve been doing on my Seth book (that’s now half finished, and hope to be done a final draft by the end of May).
I realized that I had visited deep regions of consciousness, and was exploring them and translating the dream imagery into waking symbols to better understand them. For example, the golf dreamscape involved a big tournament with lots of people and I was getting ready to tee off on the first hole. So it was part of some kind of mass event. Don’t know yet if it has anything to do with Rose’s prediction of surprising news.
The underwater dreamscape dealt with a new breathing device, that once I put it over my face and tasted the pure oxygen, I had no fear about “going under water.” And that’s a familiar dream trigger I use to visit other “areas of consciousness.” These dreams were also characterized by a lucidity in which I knew I was deeply immersed in deeper “work,” like dealing with Seth’s Speaker manuscripts and other symbols (related to the Seth book).
Next, in the dreamscape just before awakening, I was walking up a large spiral to the top floor of a large building. Upon arriving, I encountered a large room full of museum-like exhibits. Five docents suddenly appeared out of the blue, almost as if waiting for my presence to activate them.
They were strange, enticing, and friendly at the same time, kind of Alice in Wonderland-type characters. One was a “nun” made of two layers, each with 4-5 faces peering out of long brown flowing robes (clearly translating Rose essence tone into symbols that made sense. Her energy and presence was BIG!).
Then I turned my attention to one of the displays, and it featured a picture of a man with a beard (another focus?). One of the docents came up behind me and said, “So you like hair, do you?” in a kind of gay, Ricky Gervais accent. When I turned around, I was confronted by a nine foot tall man with long black hair that merged with his long black, chest length beard. His eyes and nose barely poked through. He was friendly enough, but still quite strange at the same time.
There was a short scenario where a large crescent-shaped pendulum began to swing wildly back and forth and I dove out of the way to the floor between a coffee table and couch. The pendulum smashed into the back of the couch, slamming it into the wall, but I was in a safe position and just watched it swing back and forth. A voice called out that “Paul’s doing exactly the right thing,” and there was nothing to worry about. Again, I felt no fear at all, just reacted instinctively in the midst of this wild and chaotic dreamscape.
Next, 4-5 beautiful, exotic “midget” women in colorful dress, and perfect black hair waddled over to greet me. They appeared as the “next wave” of characters for me to encounter. I started to laugh out loud and said, “Now I have gone through the looking glass!” and actually woke myself up laughing. Joanne was awake, and I excitedly told her about the last dream.
In hindsight, it felt just like an Alice in Wonderland sort of fealing-tone. We had talked about Lewis Carroll last night after the session and noted that the spelling of his last name was slightly different than the way Elias spelled my essence name (Caroll). I googled the Elias spelling and discovered that it was an older version of the name, as it’s mostly spelled with two “R”s and “L”s nowadays.
Going to the “top floor” to access this “room” represented the ascending energies we discussed, and the docents and other amazing characters represented other Aspects of mySelf accessible in this deeper area of consciousness. The initial Rose character was BIG and bizarre. I also made the connection to Seth’s Alpha states that I’ve been experimenting with after many years as part of my book work.
Again, the fealing-tone of all these dreams was familiar and quite out of the ordinary. It has been many months since I’ve had these kinds of dreams. So it likely represents some kind of new stage or phase I’m entering into in my dream life; more to come on that front.
As we finished the session, I mentioned that we had updated the Rose Glossary to be easier to read, and also published a new one-pager from Marcos’ 2008 private session in which Rose talked about the relationship between Resting-in-Rose, Treantea, and the Contrary Self.
Last but not least, on the culinary front we had a wonderful dinner of dinner croissants with turkey, Swiss cheese, sprouts, and pasta salad. For dessert, we had tea and a carrot cake Jo baked. Caryn left around 9 PM and we turned into pumpkins.
All in all, it was another stimulating group session. Our next one will be on April 11th. We hope to see you there!
February 7, 2009, 4:37 PM.
Participants: Joanne, Paul, Caryn, George, Mike, Cat, Steve, Drew, Nardine (Heathcote Vic, Australia), Marcos (New York City), Eduardo (Colorado), and Rumi the cat.
Rose immediately opened the floor to questions, so the first half consisted of Q & A.
Steve asked about someone who needs to be drunk in order to channel, and about what methods of channeling Rose recommends. Rose replied with the word “theatrics,” a code word for unnecessary trauma/drama, and said that Steve’s friend was using alcohol as a coping mechanism to deal with anxiety and personal responsibility issues regarding their channeling.
Rose reinforced that the channeler needs to “get out of the way” to allow an energy exchange of any kind. On the other hand, small amounts of alcohol may be used constructively for that purpose. For example, Jane Roberts often sipped a beer during sessions, Serge Grandbois may sip a glass of wine, and Joanne often has a glass of wine during a session. All channeling creates personal responsibility issues, and there’s always some anxiety to cope with. It all takes practice and support! So Rose was very encouraging of Steve’s friend to continue to practice but cautioned that being drunk is actually a detriment.
Eduardo had a question about some reading he had done, and the division of “light and dark” energies and the notion of service to self and others in relation to the current shift in consciousness. Rose replied that that we all need to develop trust in our intuitions, it is a key provider of health, wisdom, wealth, and happiness. It must be allowed to thrive. This is subtle stuff [and whenever she offers that disclaimer it means to be discerning, because it’s easy to confuse].
Marcos asked about his inclination to be sharing per his Ilda alignment, and his natural desire to share this information with others. He pointed out that so much of conscious creation material is in English and there’s a need, not necessarily for translations of English, but also for indigenous material to be delivered across the world if the shift is to unfold. He wondered if Rose and others were delivering material through others as well.
Rose responded that there were others doing “Rose work” around the globe, and there are many “Rose selves” who are doing this kind of work right now. There are ways to provide information that don’t require channeling. Rose energy is expressed in the flowers, various forms, our very breath, so it’s ubiquitous. All you need do is sense it, to connect with it.
George then asked if Rose would be his Valentine. To which she responded, “Yes,” to the “aws” and “ahs” of the group! Then he asked about a dream in which he held a wooden mouse in his hand, and he looked down and realized that he needed to release it. It then took on a life of its own, and George made the connection that the mouse represented things he needed to let go.
Rose said his interpretation was spot on, and that he would have more of these kinds of dreams in the coming weeks, as he continues to process his issues. She encouraged him to let go of his mice so they can thrive on their own.
Caryn asked about some info she got on the Ouija board, her source called her “zaza” and mentioned a “zazatoon.” She looked it up and there was a Mayan connection with a type of looking glass or oracle. Rose spelled it “z-a-a-z-a-t-u” and said that it was a very ancient energy and that its Mayan expression was only a recent version of it in our reality. So she cautioned Caryn to go easy with it, and to “soften it out” in order to get acclimated to the energy, but was very encouraging of her continued experimentation.
Nardine asked a question about her sacred contracts to bring love and light to All That Is. Rose said there were many ways to say, “I love you.” All That Is has many ways to separate and rejoin in a “sport of love.” The reason behind separation is to foster more reasons to allow love into our hearts. Rose encouraged us all to embrace separation and move into new areas without fear.
I asked about the York Beach fragment personalities detailed in The Seth Material, where Rob Butts and Jane Roberts were on vacation in York Beach, Maine [where a Seth conference is being held in May 2009!]. Rob had severe back pain, and during dinner they observed a couple who seemed familiar but made them very uncomfortable because their energy was negative; they looked tired and worn out. Suddenly Rob got the impulse to dance, Jane was surprised, but they danced for a while and Rob’s back was much improved the next day.
When they asked Seth about this, he said they were “fragment personalities” consisting of splintered off energies that represented a probable future where Jane and Rob would have become like them, and not in very good health. When those fragments left the room, Seth said they simply disappeared. They were what Seth called “secondary constructions” created by Rob and Jane, who in turn are “primary constructions” of their essence imbued with the “full force” of the focus personality.
Rose commented that only Rob and Jane saw these, and their intent was indeed to offer helpfulness to show them how they create their realities. Their essence knew that Rob would eventually report and ask Seth about it all. So there was no biological death for these “secondary constructions,” they simply disappeared when they left the vicinity. They represented splintered off energies, what we’d consider “negative” or unhealthy, that served as a motivation for them to take action.
Rose also cited the classic “ghost of Christmas future” from Dickens’ A Christmas Carol as representing the same kind of energetic function and intent behind these kinds of phenomenon.
Steve asked about his brain dis-ease, and mentioned that Elias told him to learn to let things go and try not to be so controlling. So what tips did Rose have to help him to do that? Rose replied with her basic learn to “trust and allow” theme, to learn to not wrong on yourself when you can’t control things.
Then we broke for dinner, while folks on the phone talked amongst themselves. We had a veritable feast of smoked chicken, shrimp jambalaya, chicken nuggets, smoked salmon, Armenian breads, broccoli salad, cornbread, and grapes all washed down with the usual assortment of beverages. Desert consisted of hot tea, “death by chocolate” brownies, and Valentine’s Day candies.
BREAK: 5:32 PM.
RESUME: 6:12 PM.
Rose opened the floor again to questions, and Steve asked about P’taah and other sources that claimed a 9.0 earthquake and tsunami on the Oregon coast was imminent and would wipe out the West Coast in the near future. Rose said that these are probable futures that were “less probable” and influenced strongly by the channeler’s belief systems. [I was reminded of some of Edgar Cayce’s doomsday predictions and others who claimed the West Coast would be destroyed years ago, none of which came to pass in my probable reality.]
Steve then cited that he had read about Rob’s envelope tests in which Seth could perceive the paper but not the print. So there were hits and misses in the tests Rob and Jane engaged, proving the Seth wasn’t an omnipotent, omniscient, or omnipresent source. Steve then wondered how does Rose “read people’s energy?”
Rose responded that Seth’s was a more localized energy than hers, so Rose is more “dispersed” than Seth. Her ways are more intuitive, in some ways, and the point is that we all need to be discerning of her words, as there is Rose energy within us all and she is “always listening.”
At this point, people didn’t have any burning questions, so Rose introduced some new material on “inductive selves” that were inspired by earlier topics. Essentially, inductive selves are intended to promote our best health and happiness. They are “Aspects of essence” like probable selves, counterparts, dream selves, and even other essences who try to communicate with us in a variety of ways.
It’s the subject of this month’s Podcast, so use this link to download and give a listen. It’s a very interesting discussion with lots of good questions and Rose patiently guiding one and all through new information. She even introduces a new word, so you can share the spontaneous nature of how Rose uses neologisms to loosen the analytical mind’s grasping and pattern making, to slip in some fealing-tones and new ways to imagine how various Aspects of inductive selves provide help, healing, and guidance all the time.
The session ended at 7:16 PM. and we said our fond farewells to folks in phone land (Nardine, Marcos, and Eduardo). We continued lively discussions until 10:30 PM. when we turned into pumpkins and our guests wandered into the evening for a rainy drive home. The next group session will be March 14, 2009. Do join us!
January 3, 2009, 4:35 PM.
Participants: Joanne, Paul, Caryn, George, Sarah, Nardine (Heathcote Vic, Australia), Mary (San Francisco), and Rumi the cat.
Rose opened with a question: “Why do you fear the things you cannot change?” This led to a discussion about what we can and can’t control. Rose reminded us that fear’s purpose is to move us beyond where we’re at, meaning it serves a constructive purpose once we learn to recognize and identify what triggers our fears, as that inevitably helps us better understand what we can and can’t control.
[I was reminded of the serenity prayer that has hung in our kitchen for over twenty years: “God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.” It also helps us understand the limits of objective awareness (including thoughts, feelings, emotions, expectations, imagination, etc.) and trust that subjective awareness has our back.]
Then Rose prodded us to share how we might use an “old fashioned” method to healp (help+heal) us deal with situations that we often feel are out of our egoic control. Nardine suggested day-dreaming. I, utterly clueless, humorously suggested eating ice cream.
Rose went old school and suggested prayer, but with a twist. She suggested we engage contemplative prayer and cleverly showed how her treantea, sontering, and resting-in-Rose samadhi practices all work toward this end.
[Samadhi means concentration or focused awareness. Treantea is an introspective probability exercise in which you take the time to consider possibilities that limiting beliefs may be hiding. Sontering is a breathing in of essence practice, similar to pranayama. Resting-in-Rose is a witnessing practice similar to vipassana. All are contemplative and require silence, stillness, and looking inward, then waiting for whatever unfolds and simply noticing, not judging what arises, trusting and allowing it to unfold as essence communicates through imagery, or voices, or fealings, or spontaneous knowing, etc.]
I then asked a question about the difference between contemplative prayer and petitionary prayer. The former looks inward in silence, the latter is more proactive, engaging thought processes to inquire, ask, believe, and receive answers based on our desires which, when based on our intent [essence families], produce spectacular results!
[Here’s some insight from Gandhi: “Prayer is not asking. It is a longing of the soul. It is daily admission of one's [limits]. It is better in prayer to have a heart without words than words without a heart.”]
I also brought up The Secret, and the many recent spinoffs of reality creation 101 it has produced. I tried to simplify “the secret” into a single thought, which Seth provided early on: “You get what you concentrate on. There is no other main rule.” So if we get what we concentrate on, then contemplative and petitionary prayer can serve as complementary METHODS in which to focus our desires in order to manifest them more easily.
Rose then encouraged us to keep it playful, and she explored the notion of “playing at praying.”
[The important thing here is to notice if you experience religious “antibodies,” as I call them, meaning when Rose goes old school and resurrects religious terminology in its authentic, transformative form, meant to healp us widen awareness and live more fulfilling lives, do you reject the idea simply because of the words being used? If so, you’re in good company!
[Rose does this intentionally to stir the pot, and make us notice, recognize, and identify limiting beliefs we have about religion in general. We moderns threw out the transformative baby with the superstitious, nonsensical parts of traditional religion. When we reject ALL traditional practices, including their meditative and contemplative practices, we do the same thing. The point is that there are time tested methods that promote direct communication with essence. We now have the ability to use them as we see fit. For more information, see The Toolbox.]
Rose discussed these ideas at length, and rather than detail them, give a listen to the Podcast called Play’n’Pray [52 minutes long].
[If you don’t like the word “prayer,” then use treantea, sontering, or resting-in-Rose. It’s not the words anyway, they’re just labels. It’s really what they mean, what they healp us concentrate on in terms of learning to communicate directly with essence.
[Finally, I am finishing The Early Class Sessions Book 1, and I am struck by how often Seth challenged those in Jane’s ESP Class ca. 1967 onward to look inward, in silence, and develop their abilities. He wasn’t an easy teacher, but a humorous, loud, and in your face kind of “dead guy” who demanded a lot from Jane, Rob, and all participants.
[It’s also a very interesting comparison to my experiences in the Elias forum (11 years), Kris Chronicles (5 years), and Rose Vine (2 years). All four teachers push their “students” according to their own intent and teaching style. All four demand a lot, and don’t parcel to parcel out sugar-coated niceties, though they have a tender, compassionate side to them.
[Why? Authentic transformation always comes with growing pains and birth pains. “It ain’t all a bed of roses,” as Vic Pendley used to say. In the long run, the transformative “path” always produces amazing insights, growth, and new understanding as we shed old skins, beliefs, and self-imposed limits.]
We took our break at 5:33 PM and dined on pierogies, mozzarella prosciutto log, chips, and crackers, all washed down with the usual assortment of beverages. Desert consisted of a variety of hot tea, chocolate chip cookies, assorted candies, and truffles.
We resumed at 6:11 PM. Rose challenged George right off, and suggested she had a gift for him, but he would receive it in dream state, so he should pay attention to that! She challenged him to sonter himself to find his ideas on prayer and do it more often as “the answers are in you, in your way of spirit.”
Rose reminded us that she is not omnipotent, doesn’t know all things, and that we each must learn our own “language of self.” She reminded us about our other focuses, probable selves, and that she was simultaneously tuning into other Aspects of her being while engaging us.
[I was reminded of Elias mentioning that he has different Aspects that he engages us with, and that explains why his “tone” is sometimes different, as he attends to many focuses of attention simultaneously as well. Kris talks about Brahm, and other Aspects he’s part of, Seth mentions Seth II, and Seth III. All of which points to the multidimensional nature of personal reality, and that we are Aspects of vast beings, vast focuses of attention.]
George asked about his other focuses and Rose provided some info about the Temples of Babylon, the Ishtar Chronicles [that I had never heard Rose mention before. I googled it and got one reference to a video game. Ishtar is a Babylonian goddess of the night and dreams], a Russian focus with food and baking, an angry monk, and many other monk focuses.
Rose asked George for his impressions, and he mentioned a Native American focus, and a Roman soldier. Rose then gave a lot more info on Native American focuses, and one that the entire group shared, which is always a fun thing to explore impressions about. Rose prodded me to connect with a Bear-Shaman in that focus.
Also, in an interesting sync, Caryn wore her hair down for the first time to a session in the style worn by indigenous peoples.
I also noted that she resembled the Mona Lisa!
Rose discussed a shared lifetime ca. 1650 CE we all shared in the Sioux Nation. Rose covered a lot of ground and mentioned a bunch of other focuses as well.
The permutations and possibilities are endless. The power of this information is when we finally understand we are much more than a single lifetime, and in terms of what Seth called counterparts – we have lifetimes in other centuries as well as NOW – then reincarnation is not linear in ANY primary sense. Further, when we go to war or murder, we are only killing ourSelves! Truly understanding this principle would surely go a long way to ending wars and reducing crimes of passion.
[Ironically, Hamas and Israel went to war last week, yet again, in the most interminable tribal warfare situation of my lifetime. I’m tired of it. Why do these people refuse to get along? There appears to be no end in sight, and all the world’s co-creating the situation. Still, if those young men, women, and children were taught that each person they come in contact with is a spiritual relative, how could they ever pull the trigger? This is why this kind of information has been given, and is slowly making its way around the globe, as part of this grass roots movement we are part of, one that seeks peace, justness, and fulfillment for all peoples.]
Rose continued a bit, wrapped things up, and left the building at 7:03 PM. We talked with Mary and Nardine on the phone for another twenty minutes, and covered a wide range of subjects. After we bid them farewell, we continued to discuss things here in Castaic. George also regaled us with his amazing hero’s journey as an 18 year-old who escaped communist Romania, through Yugoslavia, Austria, and finally made it the USA all on his own with no family or connections outside of Romania.
As usual, we turned into pumpkins at 10 PM. and bid our guests a fond good evening.
Our next session is on February 7, 2009. Check the Rose Website for more information. We are moving to once a month this because I have two book projects on tap this year – very exciting! – and need the time to finish the drafts.
Thanks one and all for making this evening such a wonderful time!
December 13, 2008, 4:35 PM.
Participants: Joanne, Paul, Caryn, George, Tom, Nardine (Heathcote Vic, Australia), Mary (San Francisco), and Rumi the cat.
We had a riotously funny opening to our session this past Saturday evening. Mary and Nardine were in a jovial mood, laughing and chatting when we joined them on the phone. I mentioned that Tom had brought beautiful roses once again, and Rose launched off that comment joking about a lifetime that Mary and Nardine shared in the Gardens of Versailles during the French Revolution period in which Tom the gardener (Nardine’s focus) enjoyed planting all kinds of things in Mary’s “garden,” among others’.
Rose continued with all sorts of ribald double entendres, and Mary’s laughter continued throughout. At one point Rose even joked about the Rose Sex Line being open, and that became the title for this session’s Podcast.
Essentially, Rose talked about the positive aspects of sexuality. She uses the word senxual (a hybrid of “sensual” and “sexual”) to describe this. George said that he should just go home and put on a porn movie, and Rose went on to say that pornography served, for the most part, as a very healthy expression, while also acknowledging that there are unhealthy expressions.
[In hindsight, Rose used “pornography” in the mass market, billion dollar industry context in which it first came up in the group. In official reality, it has a negative connotation – all porn is seen by mainstream society as BAD, BAD, BAD.
[And yet, we now know that the repression of sexual impulses leads to all sorts of pathology and hypocritical expressions like Senator Larry Craig of Idaho’s airport bathroom sex scandal, Congressman Mark Foley of Florida’s soliciting a 16-year old male page for sex, and Evangelical Minister Ted Haggard of Colorado who publicly condemned gays and secretly used meth and had sex with a gay sex worker (is it any coincidence that all three aligned with the “family values” of the Republican party in their public lives, and yet their private lives were very different?)
[Once you explore the definition of pornography, you realize it’s subjective and relative to each person’s overall stage of development. What one person may find pornographic and bad, another may find artistic and good. It’s a very large grey area, and yet there are obvious rules, laws, and social mores that evolve culturally over time that we all must contend with.]
Rose went on to say that next year will be called the year of “Sexuality and Sexual Purpose” (this year was the year of “Trust and Allow”), and to make a New Year’s resolution to have more sex in 2009, much to delight and laughter of the group.
[Rose’s intent was to shake things up a bit, and open the mind and body for new possibilities. I believe that whatever two consenting adults (defined as being 18 years old or older) do in the privacy of their bedroom is their own business, as long as it doesn’t hurt living creatures.
[I also wondered if Elias’ emotion wave would morph into a wave on sexuality, or since that had been a long one from 1999-2002, it would be a different one? Like the foreshadowed science wave, and how would THAT explore these kinds of juicy issues and belief systems?]
Nardine also shared a story about her private Rose session (to which Mary humorously noted, “Not anymore!” :-) in which she had asked Rose to identify a lifetime that she, husband Pete, Mary, and Marcos shared together. Rose gave her the Garden of Versailles specifics and suddenly the hysterical opening to the session made a lot more sense to those of us in the dark!
Mary made a detailed comment about “taking care of your animal (nature)” in the bedroom, bathroom, and dinner table. This led into the next part of the session in which Rose emphasized the sexual and emotional aspects of self as being the foundation upon which we build throughout our lifetimes.
Rose queried the group as to what animal we might connect to? She mentioned that Weary Girl (as she’s taken to calling Joanne recently instead of Weany Girl) identifies with monkeys and chimpanzees. Mary said she identified with a pink Manatee (a water-based mammal), and Rose described them as senxy, wise, very intelligent, mermaid-type mammals that were “petitioning” to become essence.
[This relates to Elias’ concept that in the late 1990s whales and dolphins became focuses of essence, which implies that we can now experience a lifetime as a species other than Homo sapiens. I asked Elias about this almost six years ago, and queried what the next species might be, as it seemed that so many creatures seemed to be so highly evolved. Elias was noncommittal, and in hindsight, it seems more likely that a water-based mammal like whales, dolphins, porpoises, and manatees were highly probable candidates since so much of our planet is covered by water, there would be probabilities for interesting variations to evolve over time.]
Rose returned to the Weary Girl’s monkey imagery and suggested we “throw [our] shit and laugh about it,” and that “on Christmas, why not throw your shit?” I pointed out that this sounded like something monkeys in captivity are known for, and it would be messy and stinky. Rose said that “the point is to THINK about throwing your shit around.”
[So this is a very important point to understand – it’s easy to take Rose literally when in fact she speaks in metaphors and symbols to make her point, which is to honor and work with our natural body functions.]
I humorously suggested that we send ten billion tons of shit to the Wall St. Banks, Washington D.C. Senate and House of Representatives, and the “big three” auto manufacturers in the USA (Ford, Chrysler, GM) to let them all know that we think they need to clean up their act!
Rose went on to comment about we are collectively beginning to move towards new financial and governance structures, and that keeping a sense of frugality and less fear than those caught up in the middle of the current recession/financial crisis would be helpful in riding out the storm, so to speak.
Rose also presented a new word “ditriol” but didn’t define it. We looked it up later and didn’t see anything in the dictionaries or search engines. It sounds a lot like vitriol, which is kind of severe, caustic effect of language or behaviors.
[So we’ll see if she brings that back up in another session in a similar context, or if it’s possibly a distortion on Jo’s part.]
Rose mentioned the recent conviction of O.J. Simpson, and said that jail will help him deal with his issues and his [subconscious] need for punishment. There was more conversation about O.J. and how we create events based on our own sense of violation to get our own attention and hopefully address to our issues.
I then brought up the $50 billion dollar fraud case/Ponzi scheme of Bernard Madoff because I was curious what Rose would have to say about the fact that this man had everything by conventional standards – a hugely successful Wall St. career, money, power, fame, the whole nine yards – and yet fealt the need to get even MORE.
Rose said that he was a financial geanius who didn’t connect with his way of spirit [which Rose defines as following one’s intent, and letting the rest follow from the sturdy foundation of desires-aligned-with-intent.]
BREAK: 5:32 PM.
We had a delicious dinner of maple turkey sandwiches with soy cheese on potato rolls, pasta and potato salads, followed by Caryn’s homemade gingerbread men and an after dinner shot of Polish honey-flavored liquor George brought called Krupnik.
RESUME: 6:09 PM.
The second half featured an spinoff of George’s and my conversation during break, in which George continued his struggle to understand the mechanics of reality creation – the “how to” part – in light of his recent issues with his family (daughter and ex-wife).
George tried to frame a question and Rose challenged him to rephrase it into a clearer question.
[Which always healps because experience shows that you get the level of answer that you are able to project in your question, so the deeper and more specific you can go, the deeper and more specific the answer!]
So George rephrased, “How do I change a belief?”
[There was a lengthy exchange, and George continued to beat a dead horse (his own words; I was also reminded of Elias’ hamster wheel). George continues to over-intellectualize the information and refuses to do any of the practices that Rose has offered, including Vespers, Sontering, Treanteaing, Discover Your Intent Name, and Resting-in-Rose meditation. These are all a means to more deeply understand the mechanics of reality creation. But if you don’t DO the practices, how can you expect any new results?
[My conversations with George over the past few months healped me create a metaphor that describes exactly what George, and others in the same boat, are doing. They continue to focus on their half-empty cup to the extent that they continue to perpetuate it! They refuse to spend much, if any, time on their half-filled cup, which is what’s going right, happy, and good in your life in spite of what difficulties you might find yourself in (acknowledging that we each define these values differently). I was able to point out to George repeatedly after the session when he was talking about half-empty cup issues. He found this useful.
[But how can anyone expect to CHANGE the beliefs that contribute to their problems when that is MOSTLY what they concentrate on all day long? It’s axiomatic to all the teachings of Seth, Elias, Kris, and Rose that “you get what you concentrate on.” And the more you concentrate on what your life is lacking and how shitty it is only serves to perpetuate those circumstances. You have to begin to focus on the half-filled cup. Once you “address to” the core issues and related beliefs, you can rapidly neutralize the negative/positive empty/full aspects of it and simply BE what you desire your life to be. It’s really that simple!]
At one point, Rose said that all you need do is DEEPLY DESIRE your intended outcome [i.e., focus on the half-filled cup]. Follow your intent and your way of spirit, and the rest will fall into place!
George mentioned that he wanted a schematic [or method], and I reminded him of Elias’ group session in March, 2007 here in Castaic that we both attended. Elias used a leprechaun metaphor to represent the inner self, which is neutral and provides what we – the outer ego –concentrate on, whether it’s good or bad in terms of our belief systems. During that session, another participant, Steve Lord, asked Elias for a reality creation method to healp him heal a dis-ease, which Elias proceeded to deliver.
[Steve and George align with Vold intent, and explore the mechanics of reality creation in their own unique ways. It’s all a choice, of course, and this why Elias often reminds us to simply notice what we’re “choosing and doing,” as this reveals – objectifies – where our attention is focused (aspects of the half-filled OR half-empty cup). Our outer egoic attention is what fuels our perception, and is used to create, change beliefs, etc. via what we chronically attend to, focus on, or concentrate on. The inner self gladly provides what we desire through our attention and perception.]
George was also able to articulate the question, “Why do I resent essence so much?” Rose pointed out the he blames essence for his problems, and refuses to take responsibility for his own choices and creations. As such, he continues to play the victim to essence role, and is blinded to his own power.
Rose provided some additional, helpful personal information to George. This led to several final questions by Caryn, Mary, and comments by Nardine that continued on related themes [and you can read them when the transcript comes out].
The group thanked Rose and she bid us adieu for the evening.
END: 7:06 PM.
We said our thank-yous and goodbyes to the phone people [Nardine, and Mary], and had desert – hot tea and the homemade gingerbread cookies that Caryn made. She made little faces on all of them, and no two were exactly alike.
We continued to talk about reality creation 101 with George, Tom, and Caryn, as it was a small group there was no splintering into little groups as is the case with a larger group. Around 10 PM. Jo and I turned into pumpkins, bid our guest a fond good evening, and I dreamt about half-filled cups, which I seem to have made quite a habit of doing all these years! ;-)
November 22, 2008, 4:36 PM.
Participants: Joanne, Paul, Caryn, George, Jeanette, Sarah, Tom, Ester, Nardine (Heathcote Vic, Australia), Christoph (Vienna), and Rumi the cat.
We had another excellent session this past Saturday evening. Ten people attended from three time zones, including Joanne’s mother, Jeanette, who was out for her annual Thanksgiving visit from Evansville, Indiana.
Rose opened the floor and asked Nardine to share her impressions about the recent elections in the USA. Nardine, who lives in Australia, mentioned that she didn’t follow the specifics of US politics, but was encouraged by the election of Barack Obama. She also mentioned that they had recently elected a new Prime Minister who had more progressive views, and that was similar imagery.
Rose went on to mention that this was all shift imagery, and that the Obama’s have “heart-ways” – a new theme she went on to explore. It was not accidental that she had put Nardine on the spot, because her intent name is Heart Whisperer. Rose then went on to explain the need for “heart-sense” (a play on the term “horse-sense”), something that is held in “heart-space.”
Rose said that there will be a growth in the shift in terms of “heart-space.”
[This is an interesting expansion of Elias’ concept of widening awareness, but from an empathic or fealing perspective. Also, in an interesting sync, our Zen Calendar daily quote for Sunday read: “Everything comes from your own heart. This is what one ancient called ‘bringing out the family treasure’.”]
Rose humorously referred to Joanne “weary girl” – a play on “weany girl” – because she has been working so hard this year on multiple fronts.
Rose mentioned that Dick Cheney, outgoing Vice President of the USA, had difficulty with his heart-space, and cited his chronic heart problems as evidence of his inability to maintain a healthy heart-space, as he was stuck in his view of his body and mind. So now, in terms of an opening heart-space, “the game is on!”
Nardine gracefully acknowledged being put on the spot and gave herSelf credit for not discounting self, as has been a pattern in the past. And since she’s been addressing to those fears, she wanted to give herSelf a well deserved pat on the back, to which I could only second her emotion!
[It’s wonderful to see people getting comfortable with Rose and doing the practices and work, and more importantly, getting results!]
Rose again reminded everyone that she doesn’t know everything [an important claim of fallibility that all authentic transpersonal teachers make].
I asked a question about the recent election and stock market tanking (bank, credit, and housing crisis) and wondered about the probabilities involved. In other words, how close was Obama to losing, since the stock market crashing had a lot to do with McCain’s defeat?
Rose gave a long answer. She suggested that since we have selected this shift to unfold, that Obama’s election and McCain’s defeat will help in that regard. Rose added that John McCain had, in effect, sabotaged his own campaign by contradicting himself, and making poor decisions that adversely affected his campaign.
At one point she used the phrase “ontologically suspect,” which seemed like a non sequitur, because ontology has to do with the nature of being. As I wondered if it was a distortion, an interesting thing happened. Rose instantly stopped, as if directly answering my mental question, and revisited and redefined that phrase.
I checked the recording and here’s what she said: “(McCain) did want to allow the ontologically suspect presidency to rest in another’s hands – ontologically suspect in the sense that sometimes the respect that is incurred in the realization of the presidency isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. The respect that is engaged, in some ways, is not truly desired.”
[Rose sometimes uses words like “theatrics” and “ontology” when Joanne is getting in the way, so this was an interesting example of something getting distorted, Rose correcting as she goes along, and me simultaneously tuning into that process. This reminded me of a story Ellen Gilbert shared from a recent Kris Int’l. Session, in which she became aware of simultaneously interacting with Kris on another “layer” of consciousness.]
Tom asked a question about Proposition 8, which had just passed in the recent California elections. It defined marriage as being only between a man and woman, and was a real setback for civil rights, ironically, in light of the advances realized by the African-American community, who, it turned out, 70% had voted FOR Prop 8.
Rose said, “The way of spirit is the way of self.” She then coined a new word [what else is new?] “g-i-n-t-o,” a combination of gin and into to mean “gin running into spirit ways.” For example, people took a banned substance like gin during the Prohibition, and still moved into spirit by making their own “illegal” bathtub gin. The gin was in our hands, the same way we take the laws into our own hands when we know they are unfair and unjust. Rose encouraged us all to “drink in fully the way of spirit.”
[This doesn’t mean Rose promotes alcoh