October 11, 2008, 4:37 PM.
Participants: Joanne, Paul, Caryn, George, Joyce, Steve, Mike, Kat, Nardine (Heathcote Vic, Australia), Mary (California), Marcos (New York City), Catherine (Tennessee), Christoph (Vienna), and Rumi the cat.
We had another great session this past Saturday evening with thirteen people attending from five time zones. Rose opened with brief comments about our fears, once again, and then turned it over to the group for questions.
Mary opened with a story about waking up one day last week being fearful about buying and moving into a new house. She was able to divert her “fearful self’s” attention by concentrating on other, more practical tasks, like what kind of furnishings and décor she would purchase and install, and managed to keep her fearful self at bay throughout the day.
Rose said that the fearful self relies on the ego, what it’s used to doing without thinking [similar to Elias’ automatic responses]. Fear only what you can control, and allow what you can’t control to be handled by essence, which requires trust and allowance. Moreover, we can learn to allow essence to communicate info about the things we can’t control.
Steve asked a question about the week’s crazy slide of the world’s financial markets, and wondered if Rose would indicate whether it will end soon. Rose didn’t give any specifics of that sort, though she mentioned that the bottom will be reached when we each create that.
Trust or lack thereof is the core issue being addressed to in the crisis. When the global banks no longer trust each other to stay solvent, their belief in risk rises, and they stop lending money, which ripples out. There were expressions of “anti-trust” [which I equated with the fear and panic that spread by the end of last week], for example, people don’t trust spirit, self, or people with different associations.
Rose moved into an exploration of the relationship between essence and focus [or what Elias calls subjective and objective awareness] and how they each work to create our realities. This led into an intense and heavy discussion because it brought various issues, fears, and questions to the surface in the group. Rather than say any more, I’ll provide a link to this week’s Podcast since it contains an abridged forty minute version of this discussion that led into our dinner break.
Speaking of which, we had a delicious smorgasbord on Saturday that included different kinds of bagels and baguettes, lox, cream cheese, spinach and spicy quiche, olives, grapes, sliced fresh tomato, feta cheese, eggplant dip, pasta salad, and Ghiradelli chocolate brownies. All of which were washed down by the usual assortments of wines, beers, red iced tea, sodas, and water. We also had hot tea with desert for the first time since May. The half hour break turned into forty-five minutes as people had vibrant conversations here and on the phone. Somehow, it felt good to really dig into some serious challenges that various group members were contending with, as it really seemed to open the door for a lot of stuff!
Marcos kicked off the second half with a story about fealing strange all day and really for the past few weeks, which was partially related to his difficult business dealings during this very difficult period for the worlds’ stock markets. Rose riffed that “the way of spirit” is to surrender to happiness, as the way of spirit affects everything we do. She reinforced the effort that Marcos had allowed in surrendering to the essence self to help him get through the turbulent days, helping him shed his fears so as to spread ripples in a tealling sense into the environment, using himself as a model for handling trauma.
Christoph mentioned that he had been experimenting with autotyping and got some results, but also wasn’t sure if he was just making things up [which reminded me of many people in the early stages who say that autotyping and channeling feals that way at times]. But Rose assured him that he was doing a fine job and encouraged him to continue his experiments and do his best to relax and let go, and allow essence to come through.
Christoph also got two names – Ravan and Ravella – and wondered if either might be his essence name? Rose said that the first name was bird imagery relating to Rose’s connection with all birds (Ravens) in our dimension, and that the second name was indeed his essence name.
[I was stuck by this connection with the Raven, as it is black and part of the Crow family. Both are birds I associate with Sumafi energy, and we have both here in Castaic year round. I often see them when I take my weekly walks up and down the local canyons.]
Christoph also mentioned seeing little white dots when staring at the blue sky, and also there was some merging cloud imagery that Rose said was essence trying to communicate, and to continue to experiment and be open to whatever happens.
Catherine mentioned that she understood Rose’s concepts of “trust and allow” intellectually but had trouble making them work during an episode at work where she was in charge of an event. She began the day in good form, and was relaxed and ready to go, but as she got into the event, things happened that threw off her concentration and she lost that easy going fealing tone that she had stabilized earlier. Rose gave her a long answer on how to allow fear to actually help her through the process, as its main purpose is to help us move or make changes that are beneficial.
I shared a self-hypnosis practice that I found very useful for performing in front of a group of peers, a situation where it is normal to sometimes get nervous or have our feathers ruffled somehow. Essentially, the idea is to help the mind visualize its way through the entire event with grace and deep confidence, so that when curve balls or the unexpected occur, we still deal with them with grace and confidence.
Nardine shared that she had worked through some of her own fears during the past week in rolling out her new RoseVine forum on NewWorldView, recognizing old patterns, old processes that interfere with her intent as a “heart whisperer.” So the process of moving through that was very helpful for her, as well as learning to speak up in the group. She does have important things to say!
We closed out with another round of questions from Steve who invoked interpretations of Elias and tried to get Rose to comment, which she did, on the difference between desires and wants in relation to how essence [subjective] and ego [objective] work in concert to create reality, such as healing, loving relationships, abundance, and fulfillment.
[During the evening Rose mentioned that she created all our realities more than once, and I thought she was baiting or testing us, because that notion seems to contradict many things emphasized by Seth, Elias, Kris, and other in terms of the outer ego and its role in making choices via belief systems, which is central to how we create. But just as Seth, Elias, and Kris have done, she is helping us identify with our essence selves, only taking a different approach. “You create your reality” is true when “you” is defined as including essence. “Essence creates your reality” is true when “essence” is defined as including you. In other words, if we can’t understand that “you” includes essence, then we might understand that essence includes you. Therefore, it doesn’t mean to give up and no longer take responsibility for being able to change our situations, as both George and Steve reflected in their challenges to Rose.
[The danger in doing this is using “Rose said” to blame something outside ourselves for creating something we find difficult, unpleasant, or unhealthy. It’s a BIG topic, and the conversations brought up lots of interesting questions and answers, as always.]
The session ended around 7:30 PM. and we thanked all the folks who joined us on the phone, and mentioned our upcoming Halloweany group session and workshop on Oct. 31/Nov. 1, and that the next Dinner & A Dead Gal would be on Saturday Nov. 22nd.
Our guests stayed until just before 10 PM. when Jo and I turned into pumpkins and went to bed, but there were ongoing discussion and debates as to the mechanics of reality creation and what Rose, Elias, Seth, Kris, or Wilber meant when they said so and so, and on and on we went! All told, it was a fun and stimulating evening.
September 20, 2008, 4:35 PM.
Participants: Joanne, Paul, Caryn, George, Joyce, Nardine (Heathcote Vic, Australia), Mary (California), and Rumi the cat.
We had another great session this past Saturday evening. Rose spoke for over two hours on a variety of topics. Before the session we were talking about the upcoming US elections, and Rose dove right into the fray.
Rose also said that things can be “fucked up” and they sometimes are. I mentioned the recent financial crisis on Wall St. that pointed to a corrupt business model driven by greed and selfishness that was no longer viable or sustainable. And that produced conversation between the group and Rose on Reaganomics, Barack Obama’s fear of mentioning the Keating Five S&L scandal that John McCain supported in the 1980s, and various corrupt business practices that pass for normal in Washington DC.
Rose circled back, once again, to the importance of the contrary self and its purpose to act towards our best interests by speaking up, acting on what we can control, and promoting the best self we can. The rest will take care of itself, but Rose quoted Seth’s “the point of power is in the present” and it’s important to feel our own power by acting contrary as necessary to stop others from taking undue advantage. She reminded us to not fear what is beyond our direct control, but also to “be careless [carefree] so as to allow your best selves to thrive,” which means do what you can, then let it go.
Rose mentioned that in the current financial climate we need to apply healthy AMBER/BLUE values (in integral terms these are traditional values that promote healthy communities) to help curb the, in my terms, selfish, egocentric, greed, predator/prey, get rich quick scam artists that gamed the mortgage and credit markets to such an extent that they have completely collapsed. This translates into real people losing jobs and their homes, and high paid executives negotiating buyouts, mergers, fire sales, and other strategies to prevent further collapse.
George made a funny comment, he said that Rose was “one fine, fiery broad” as she encouraged the group to feel empowered in the face of such a mass event. I jokingly told Nardine, one of our transcribers, to use that as a title in the transcript (stayed tuned to see if she does J).
Rose made an interesting distinction that we need to EXPRESS the contrary and not BE a contrary self. She got a little Zen, but the intent was to show that the contrary self, when being bitchy, pushy, in your face, intrusive, even dare I say BAD, the intent is to be constructive, which means to promote growth and development, not destructive, which is intended to hurt, marginalize, negate, and destroy. Rose suggested we “be mad as hell and not take it anymore” (thinking of the reference to the 1980s movie Network).
Again, the point is constructive action, not destructive action.
Joyce, George, and I had a long riff about who is the “you” who creates, as Rose has been pointing out the essence “calls the shots” which leaves poor old focus or outer ego feeling a bit out of control, and yet, the more I explore mySelf in my fullness, I understand that the “I” who creates ALL my reality is much, much more than my Paulness, though that Aspect has a very important say in the matter! So it’s all about balancing those elements, and learning to let go, and trust and allow what we can’t control. It’s quite a dance!
Rose reminded us that there’s no such thing as perfection, and that we need to address to that limiting belief, because we try to understand the mechanics of reality creation in literal, rational, formulaic terms so that we might better control it, and yet there’s no better! Again, she got a little Zen saying that “in every way, perfection is a myth, and imperfection has its own perfection…” All of which is intended to help the rational, grasping, seeking mind, relax and let go of what it can never control.
We had a 35 minute break for a delicious dinner of sausage stew, salmon, Chilean bass, and smoked chicken, with fresh bread baked by Caryn, and pumpernickel all washed down with the usual assortment of red iced-tea, wines, and water. For dessert, Joyce brought a scrumptious tray of pastries. Rumi liked the chicken!
We resumed and Rose talked a bit about the group session she did at the Seth Conference in which Jo “fell on her face,” which felt like a test to me because I and many people thought Joanne did a marvelous job, though Jo was disappointed that her performance may have been hampered by her nervousness. Rose had told her prior to this session that she’d say something about the Seth session that would “deserve a big grin.” That was the reason she said “fell on her face” – to help Jo let go and have more fun and less fear. What a great example of treantea – allowing multiple views of things to help us relax our expectations of certain outcomes.
Caryn asked a question about Rose’s energy, which is overwhelming to her at times, as she often feels Rose’s answers to questions before she gives them. Rose said that she was picking up on her energy as it’s in her too, and she can channel in her own way and was very encouraging for Caryn to keep experimenting with her own abilities.
Caryn mentioned that Rose often says, “You are us, we are you” and wondered how that actually worked? Rose gave a longer reply, mentioning that what she says is “true but partial,” which by definition means it’s difficult to communicate all that makes up Rose’s awareness. But there was a lot more and it’s in this week’s podcast.
Joyce asked a question about how geography affects what channels we draw to ourselves, and Rose delved into the many different intents that channels may express. Not all are Sumari like Seth, or Sumafi like Elias or Rose. For example, some are Tumold/Ilda like Daryl Anka who channels Bashar.
I also noted that during the Seth conference I had several strong impressions about people who I’ve come to know very well over the years and realized that they hold Sumari/Sumafi intent (belonging to/aligning with). That included Mary Dillman, Jon Klimo, Barbara Bolduc, and myself. Making the Sumafi connection made a lot of sense.
I also asked Rose to confirm that Jim Funk and Jim Gilbert were also Sumari/Sumafi and she confirmed that with one caveat, that Jim Funk is aligned with Sumafilda – a hybrid of Sumafi and Ilda. All of this explained a lot as these folks have all worked over the years to explore the legacy of the Seth material. It made sense that the Sumafi would be involved in perpetuating the original information with least distortion in their own ways, while also having a very strong Sumari belonging, which explains the deep Sumari connection.
There was more, but we’ll leave that for the transcript. The session was very enjoyable as it was a relatively small group of seven, so we all got to ask more questions and joke around a bit. We ended around 7:25 PM, and said our farewells to Mary and Nardine, and continued to chat until 9:40 PM when we turned into pumpkins. Thanks everyone!
Jo and I just returned from and are still basking in the afterglow of the 2008 Colorado Seth Conference (Sept. 11-15). Attended by over one hundred kindred spirits, this year’s theme was The Dance of Consciousness: Waltzing Through Inner and Outer Realities, and did we ever dance and sing and play! New and old friends gathered and shared four days of peace, love, and rock’n’soul – literally a Colorado Rocky Mountain high.
If you’ve never been to one of these events, you must put it on your calendar for next year! The Conference Committee is made up of an incredible alchemy of people dedicated to the exploration and practical application of the Seth material. They create a fun and nurturing environment with something for just about everyone.
The Committee consists of Jim and Carol Funk, Jim and Loretta Gilbert, Dawn and Morgan McKay, and Nancy Walker (daughter of Helen, an emeritus member). Along with Dana Beardshear in the Break Room, and Marnie Leichtenberg who runs the Bookstore these folks put in amazing amounts of time and energy every year to provide a high quality, memorable experience. As a group they have really hit their stride.
I can’t say this enough, and I don’t usually gush, but these folks are clicking on all cylinders and the three conferences Jo and I have attended (2006-2008) have just been incredible. It’s clear that they love what they do, and you have to, as Jo and I know from running our own conferences in 2001.
We are so appreciative and in awe of how well this group works together. As Seth said, “When intuitive knowledge and understanding overflow, then it overflows into all kinds of creativity and it is. It does not form groups. Groups appear. There is a difference. There is no need to form groups. Groups appear because there is no need to form them.” [1]
Again, if you’ve ever thought of going but come up with excuses to not make this trip, it is worth every single penny. Frank Collins poignantly pointed out that he no longer measures his age in terms of years, but in terms of these yearly “family” gatherings. So if you are one of those who equivocates start saving NOW, and put the 2009 Colorado Seth Conference on your travel calendar!
The main room and tables were decorated with theme related icons, doodads, and colorful arrays. It made the environment relaxed, fun, and light hearted. There was truly something for everyone in the conference format. The core experience revolved around two morning, two afternoon, and an evening session. There were three group dinners, a dance party, a “free” happy hour every night and buffet breakfast every morning (with the price of hotel room). It was a delightful setup.
This year’s conference took place in the Embassy Suites, which had a lovely, sun-drenched atrium, waterfall, and lots of places to sit, eat, and chat in between sessions. All of the rooms exited into the atrium so you feel a part of everything. Jo and I didn’t even make it out of the hotel until Day 3, when we walked to a Whole Foods for a delicious lunch.
This year’s group of presenters was an eclectic group whose talks complemented each other and overlapped in synchronistic ways. Each talk is recorded and you can purchase a DVD or audio CD (for more info contact Jim Funk at: cjfunk3 [at) earthlink.net). You can also check out the conference schedule. I was impressed by the diversity of presentation styles, and it’s hard to say there was a favorite, as I really enjoyed every talk I attended, and there are several occasions where there are two at once, so you can pick and choose.
Thursday evening began with a short tribute to Rob Butts, who most know passed away on Memorial Day, May 26, 2008. Several people came to the podium and gave their respects to Rob including me. I read part of my blog post called In Memoriam Robert F. Butts, and closed with a short 2:56 slideshow that I literally threw together the night before we left. People enjoyed it, and upon returning I created a longer version, now 7:02, with two Enya songs that incorporated a bunch of pictures I didn’t have time to scan beforehand. That slideshow is now available on YouTube.
On Friday morning I did my talk on The Developmental Seth and applied the integral approach to a survey of how Seth and Jane defined development in terms of the multiverse (levels of reality) and multidimensional self (levels of selfhood). I was able to incorporate musical interludes to relax the intellect, an eight minute psy-time, and a couple of additional exercises to provide a direct knowing of the concepts. It was well received, and it’s always nice to finish that part of the trip, and relax into the other sessions. (I will make the video and materials available as soon as I receive and process them, so check back here for the links next week.)
Joanne and Rose spoke to the group for an hour after dinner on Saturday night. Session 287 was the biggest group they have addressed to date. It went very well, though the setup was a little too formal, in hindsight, with Jo in a chair on the podium. I was impressed by how well Joanne handled the pressure of going in front of this group while being only in her second year of her exchange with Rose. Seth is a tough and really impossible act to follow! And yet, the group warmly received JoRose and asked some really good questions of Joanne after the session regarding the exchange and her role with it.
Of course, being in a Seth group, there were a handful of people who channel and have other psychic abilities present. One woman, Georgiena, came up to us afterward with a sketch of JoRose’s aura. Georgiena saw rose and gold colored lights around JoRose’s torso and a rather large crown that she said was four times as big as when she saw Ester Hicks and Abraham.
I don’t know if there is a direct crown chakra correlation between the “size” or density of the essence gestalt that people exchange with, but we do know that Rose consists of many millions of essences, so it makes sense that there would be something in JoRose’s aura to indicate this.
Georgiena also pointed out that “grounding” elements appeared under JoRose’s chair about fifteen minutes into her speaking, and this was around the time that JoRose settled more into the exchange. Again it takes a lot of courage and energy to go in front of such a “venerable” group as Joanne pointed out after the session.
Rose surprised me (what else is new?) and gave a long dissertation that lasted over forty minutes before opening the floor to questions. She centered her comments on fear, and its purpose – a theme she has been fleshing out all summer, and leading into our Fall Halloweany Workshop: Face Your Fears, Follow Your Intent. (Veddy Spooky!)
Rose mentioned that she consisted of Dream Walkers (in the plural, a new nuance), explored sontering (one of her neologisms) or breathing in of essence, the way of spirit as our way of following our intent, pointed out that everyone has the ability to channel, riffed on the contrary self (and I thought who was a better exemplar of that than Jane Roberts!), encouraged the group to “teall” (tell and teach) the Seth material to those who are ready for it, but not in an evangelical way, touched briefly on standing up to the bullies, and answered questions by Melinda on Hurricane Gustav that affected her home in Louisiana, and “Rolly Ronnie” on the contrarian spontaneous self. (A podcast will be available soon, check back here for the link.)
Over all, it was a solid performance by JoRose. The hour was getting late, bellies and minds were full from dinner and two days of Seth, and the material and delivery was quite new to the group, sort of like listening to a favorite band play only new music you’ve never heard before. The group was polite and very supportive, knowing that Jo is still in the early stages of her energy exchange. There was a stark contrast from Seth and Jane, as JoRose has a softer delivery, a more feminine energy (compared to Seth’s blatant macho), and unique syntax and new words that take time to assimilate. We are very grateful for the opportunity to share Rose with the group, as it takes a village to get any public channel to the next level, so to speak.
We were also reminded that we have such good teachers in Seth, Jane, and Rob’s early experiences, as well as all we learned from helping Mary Ennis (Elias) and Serge Grandbois (Kris/Brahm) to develop their websites as they got started. So we’re in good hands and appreciated all those who came up afterward with words of encouragement and constructive criticism. Thanks everyone! A session transcript will also be available in a few weeks on the essence of Rose website.
Jo also held three private sessions during the conference in our hotel room. They lasted about an hour, and each person got their audio files emailed when we returned, and audio CDs got mailed yesterday.
From this point, I’m going to let Barbara’s, Brent’s, Nick’s, and Denise’s pictures tell the story, as they say, a picture’s worth a thousand words. Thanks again to everyone we saw and spent time with this year. We had a fabulous time, and look forward to next year! Much love!
[1] Conversations with Seth, June 11, 1974.
August 30, 2008, 4:36 PM.
Participants: Joanne, Paul, Ursula, Caryn, George, Sarah, Tom, Jim, Catherine (Tennessee), Nardine (Heathcote Vic, Australia), Mary (California), Christoph (Vienna), Eduardo (Colorado), and Rumi the cat.
We had another great session this past Saturday as five folks joined us on the teleconference for our fourth Dinner & A Dead Gal. We may just name this session Questions & Answers as Rose, once again, opened the floor for questions after a brief opening. Rather than detail everything I’m going to provide an overview of the main issues the group explored. Also, you can read the transcript when it comes out in several weeks for all the gory details.
[I wanted to begin with some personal observations on how the Rose phenomenon continues to develop for me as I had an interesting experience in which I observed how much personal responsibility I take for every answer given by Rose. Is it accurate? Is it useful? What if she’s leading people astray? Why did she go in THAT direction, and why didn’t she go in THIS direction? Etcetera.
[Over the three hours I observed that Rose provided answers based on the group’s collective energy, but also geared to individuals working through their own issues. So what is deeply meaningful to one person may not be a huge insight for another, yet that, in turn, may be a big help to someone with a similar issue reads the transcript or listens to a Podcast. As that light bulb went off in my head, I began to relax, let go, and “trust and allow” – as Rose teaches, to feal into each interaction and sense how people will get what they need to from Rose’s words. Or not!
[I reminded myself how Vicki Pendley and Mary Ennis, in particular, struggled in the same way during the early years of the Elias phenomenon, taking way too much personal responsibility for every word “Elias said” and learning to “trust and accept” (Elias’ variation) that people would get out of their interactions what they needed.]
Tom, who once again brought a dozen pink roses, opened with a question about the upcoming US presidential election, and Barack Obama got the “Rose seal of approval” in terms of candidates who would effect change in line with the shift in consciousness.
[I was pleased to hear that because I believe that Obama is the best compromise of a candidate who can begin to right the ruinous course of eight years of the Bush/Cheney Administration (who I call “the gang who couldn’t shoot straight”). I hope and pray that we collectively choose to keep Obama and his family safe from the kind of egocentric malevolence that cut the lives of Martin Luther King, and the Kennedy brothers short. As always, time will tell.]
Catherine followed up with questions about three dead squirrels, related “ghost” imagery, and autotyping experiments, which suggested she “talk to Rose” to verify what’s going on. Rose replied that “the ghosts are you,” meaning that those subtle energies we sense about ourselves that seem to originate “outside” of us are actually “inside” of us, and Aspects of us, so there is no reason to fear them. In fact, learning to allow them and work with them will help develop her autotyping abilities.
[I found this to be an interesting development, as Rose encourages all of us to learn what our best way to channel is, because this is a direct connection with essence.]
Christoph asked some questions about his fears of aging, and Rose provide a long answer that we used for this session’s Podcast.
[I also noted the preponderance of fear threads in our group sessions this Spring and Summer. And while some of them have been challenging, all have been authentic, real, and useful ways of learning to work within the limits of fear as an emotion that’s intended to force us into action. According to Rose, that’s its main benefit.
[So it’s not something to deny and repress, but recognize and address to. It seems to be another thematic trend that Rose is using to lead into our Halloweany Group Session and One Day Workshop whose theme is: Face Your Fears, Follow Your Intent.]
Mary asked about manipulating her energy centers, particularly her yellow, and Rose suggested she move the green and pink down to help soothe or settle it when out of balance. Mary also offered her impressions for her essence name and Rose applauded her efforts, but guided her to select an intent name in the mean time.
[Later after Eduardo and Caryn offered some feedback and impressions on their own intentionality, I had another light bulb moment in which I better understood why Rose is downplaying essence names right now and focusing, instead, on intent names. We are blessed to be part of meshwork through NewWorldView that connects us with the teachings of Seth, Elias, and Kris, all of whom regularly provided essence names. I, for example, have received one from both Elias (Caroll) and Kris (Janaki). But I realized that with all the work I’ve done with the intent name practice over the last eleven years I am actually more connected to THAT in terms of my essence than to my essence names.
[It’s not that one is better than the other, they are complementary in my view. The essence name becomes a loving bond between teacher and student that we trace back to Seth, Jane, and Rob. But the intent name is something that we ultimately come up with ourSelves. It is NOT given to us by the authority figure, though they may guide us along the way. When we become our own authority, we become more powerful conscious creators and co-creators with All-That-Is. This is why Rose is “being testy” or seemingly contrary with essence names right now, to help us become our own authorities.
[Moreover, Rose has offered 7-8 essence names thus far. So I don’t believe she will stop using them all together because she sometimes refers to us using essence names. Coinkidinkily, Rose has never given Joanne and I unique essence names. Since her first appearance she has used those already provided by Elias and Kris, along with our regular names.]
A visitor from New York City – Jim – brought his lovely daughter Ella to attend Cal Arts, just down the freeway from us in Valencia. He asked some questions about the Church he grew up in, founded by immigrants from Hungary that used mediums to talk to deceased family and friends. It was a hybrid form of Christianity that exposed him early to mediumship, hence his interest that led him to attend a Rose session while in Castaic, CA.
Jim realized that the format used by his childhood Church was wrapped in the dogmatic, mythic forms of traditional religion, and thus had limits. Rose confirmed his intuition that our generation is widening awareness and ready for a new, more sophisticated version of information that is being presented by the channelers we study through NewWorldView, including Rose.
George gave us the cover to his Thin Lizzy album called Black Rose. So that was more Rose imagery to put on display. During break, we had a delicious dinner of sausage stew, smoked salmon, veggie dip, mixed fruit, European bread, sweet rolls, and cheesecake, all washed down by the usual assortment of beverages and spirits.
George also shared a powerful dream in which a rodent that was wrapped around his lower right leg was released. He woke up feeling as though a heavy burden had been lifted! Rose confirmed that he had “passed a test” in that he was no longer attached to the issue represented by the rodent, and once George stopped lending energy in that direction, he simply let it go, and the energy was released.
In other words, he didn’t need to overanalyze the imagery, instead just go with the fealing tone of letting go totally within his energy. It’s a more fealing-centered process than a thought-centered process, something that Rose continues to reinforce in these group sessions.
The summer sessions have been averaging three hours with a 20-30 minute break. I have been impressed by the stamina, focus, and concentration of the group because it takes that kind of energy to hang with Rose for three hours! Still, last Saturday Rose seemed ready to go another hour, but we had to cut it short because our scheduled time to use the phone bridge was up at 7:25 PM.
We said our goodbyes and thank-yous to everyone in phone land, and how much we appreciated their participation and lending energy to the Rose forum. People stayed until 10 PM. when Jo and I turned into pumpkins. As usual, we had some very interesting conversations based on the session, Rumi got spoiled with attention and snacks, and Jo continued to give short ten minute Rose readings to those interested after the session.
Now that it’s September and we’re moving into conference, workshop, and holiday season, we’ve decided to move to a three week schedule through the New Year. This will help us catch up on our transcribing, which is going great guns, for instance, we just published four new transcripts since Monday, two privates, and two groups.
Finally, we are looking forward to speaking at the Colorado Seth Conference next week in Denver. Our next Dinner & A Dead Gal will be on September 20th, we hope to see you all Zen!
August 16, 2008, 4:41 PM.
Participants: Joanne, Paul, Ursula, George, Sarah, Tom, Catherine (Tennessee), Nardine (Melbourne, Australia), Cynthia (Oklahoma), Mary (California), Marcos (New York), Will (California), Debi (California), and Rumi the cat.
We had another long session this past Saturday as eight folks joined us on the teleconference for our second Int’l. Session. We may just name this session Questions & Answers as Rose simply opened the floor for questions after a brief opening in which she coined yet another new word [1] (which is rapidly becoming a signature part of her material).
She coined the word “decine” – a combination of decide and divine as we “decide what our way of Divine intervention will be.” In other words, in what ways do we prefer to communicate directly with essence? [2]
Then she opened the floor to questions and … once again there was dead silence! To solicit questions, Rose asked us to define what our favorite things were because our “way of spirit” (or deciding what way of divine intervention we choose) consists of doing our favorite things. George, who has attended every group session since April, humorously suggested that Rose’s tests were among his favorite things, much to the amusement of everyone!
But that broke the ice, and Rose went on to remind us that, yes, she will provide tests when we approach her with an attitude that she’s an infallible source, and take every word as truth with a capital “T”. Of course, the light bulb went on in my mind as to why folks have been hesitant to initially ask questions in the last couple of weeks when Rose opened the floor. They are afraid of being tested! George should know since he is the first person, beside Joanne and I, to be tested by Rose. (For the gory details on George’s “Charlie Test,” see Session 235, April 06, 2008 and Session 239, April 26, 2008).
Marcos then braved the way and asked a question about his personal direction since moving to New York City, and wondering if he was on a detour. All of sudden, there was terrible interference on the phone line! And we all laughed because many of us knew from experience with Elias and Kris on phone sessions that sometimes our fear and anxiety get translated within energy as these kinds of noises. But Rose began to answer him and things settled down as they almost always do. The gist of her answer was that he (and we by implication) is always on our path no matter what we choose, and yet, sometimes we can take detours, and we will eventually recognize them and address to them.
George asked about some physical symptoms he experienced during the preceding week that included blurred vision, and pain in one eye. George intuited that this was an example of “conscious creation in action,” and Rose suggested that he allowed an essence communication, seeing things with new eyes and learning to sonter, or breathe in, essence. She gave him a gold star for being open to the experience, even though it caused him some anxious moments!
Catherine asked about her Aunt who felt since she was young that she should be named Wendy.
[I noted here that Rose gave her first integral answer in that she provided two main thrusts of information that spoke directly to two different worldview systems (AMBER/traditional and GREEN/postmodern) without marginalizing either!]
First, for her Aunt who is a Southern Baptist and not aware of this kind of material, Rose suggested that she refer to her Holy Book (the Bible) for help, since she may believe that her strange feelings are the work of the Devil.
Rose assured Catherine that this was not the case, and that in postmodern terms Wendy was a future focus that was bleeding through her awareness. Unfortunately, the Bible provides no updated information on future or past lifetimes, so her Aunt has a very narrow window in which to interpret her “strange feelings,” and yet Rose didn’t impose an explanation on her that she would not be ready to understand. As such, she knew that Catherine’s Aunt would find comfort in her Bible and suggesting that Wendy is an angel.
Catherine then asked about three squirrels that died outside her home earlier in the summer and their bodies made a kind of triangle around a tree. What was the message? Rose took an unusual direction and began with “imaginary ghosts” to represent subtle energies that are ever-present around us all, and that they are not to be feared.
[In hindsight, it may have been Rose’s way to help Catherine to not fear altered states or other unusual energies that may physically express themselves as the shift progresses. I had several dreams Sunday and Monday morning about “imaginary ghosts” that I recorded but have yet to detail in my dream journal. But it’s an interesting side effect of how an answer to someone else’s question can influence another person.]
Rose also went into the fear of death (something we all have) and the squirrels helped her deal with that inevitability.
I asked a follow-up to Catherine’s question about OOBs in the previous D&DG (session 272) to see if she had any results from trying Rose’s projection technique (transferring conscious awareness into a dream body while falling asleep). Catherine mentioned that she had been in work mode since we last spoke and didn’t get any results.
[Ironically, this piqued my curiosity and I managed to have several lucid dreams Sunday and Monday mornings using that transference technique. It’s most effective for me in the 3-6 AM sleep cycles, having already gotten some deep sleep and allowing my awareness to be more awake as I fall back asleep after going to the bathroom, or in one case, just changing positions, waking up and maintaining awareness of the previous dreamscape and as I fell back in, transferring awareness into a lucid dream body. Cool stuff!]
Next, Tom asked a great question based on Rose’s opening riff. He asked what her definition of Divine is. Rose offered a long explanation, and I asked a couple of follow up questions that further expanded things. The fifteen minute exchange became this week’s Podcast and you can listen to it by clicking on the icon. (We publish a Podcast of a pithy Rose excerpt every Monday after a group session. You will also find this icon in the transcripts now.)
This exchange took us to our break at 5:49 PM. Jo and I talked on the phone line for a bit and answered questions while munching on dinner. Dinner consisted of havarti-dill cheese and crackers, sliced pork sausages, ham with bread, a peanut noodle dish, pasta salad, and mixed fruit all washed down with the usual assortment of wines, water, and iced-tea.
We resumed at 6:17 PM. The second half started with George’s daughter, Sarah, resting-ON-Rose, as he joked. She was snuggled up to JoRose and listened as the group engaged the second half.
Rose explained that the way of spirit allows our sensory experience to bring us satisfaction along with realization of essence in our days, a poetic description of learning to realize more deeply how essence communicates in various ways that include our sensory experiences.
Rather than detail the second half, I’ll just add some highlights, because the whole session will be available as a transcript in a couple of weeks thanks to Nardine in Australia!
Marcos mentioned dreams with deep sadness, longing, and melancholy over the years, but over time he’s come to realize that there is deep fulfillment via essence. Rose mentioned that suffering is part of what makes us human, and there’s even a beauty to it at times. The way of spirit calls on us to suffer sometimes, but again, the point is to learn to avoid and end suffering in all cases.
[In other words, there’s nothing overtly spiritual about suffering, and it doesn’t make us more spiritual because we have a cross to bear. That’s a leftover from the traditional worldview value system – that suffering makes us closer to God – but our postmodern worldview understands that suffering may lead to great fulfillment only once we understand how we create it, learn to take full responsibility for all our creations, good and bad.]
Marcos also said he came to further understand Seth’s idea of value fulfillment more deeply in that it allows for great suffering, but focuses on fun, joy, and pleasure.
[Marcos is right on target. We need to include the shadows and the light, and not repress them because they’ll always come back to bite us in the ass big time! Only through learning about the nature of suffering through our own foibles, mistakes, and detours do we come to understand how we create the good and bad, darkness and the light, pleasure and pain. Only then can we bring deeper awareness and acceptance to our joy and suffering as they never go away. Marginalizing or repressing the bad with New Age “feel good,” “in the light,” etc., kind of sentiments only makes our suffering that much worse.]
George mentioned that Elias describes his energy as being represented by blue dots or blue imagery. So then, “what color is Rose?” Rose said that we connect with her energy when we feel good, senxy, in subjective ways, and with our mirth (deep sense of humor and joy)! She also communicates through birds.
Rose emphasized that we connect with her in a fealing-tone that is blissful. I pointed out that I do experience Elias’ energy as blue dots mostly, but that I experience Rose’s energy as a blanket of pink and sometimes magenta that just permeates my awareness during meditation or resting-in-Rose (a kind of savikalpa or subtle realm samadhi).
Rose confirmed that this was indeed one way to experience her energy, but that it was still included in the more general definition she gave previously. In other words, she doesn’t want people to identify her fealing-tone with only a color.
I also mentioned that Elias associated Rose as a Sumafi essence representing Borledim in his game that taught us about interpreting impressions (another form of essence communication). So I’ve had a pink color associated with her energy for eleven years now, and while that may be a self-fulfilling manifestation, it still is how I create a color exchange with Rose’s energy (I have also begun dreaming of her as a wise woman archetype in the past year).
Mary asked Rose to provide her with an essence family belonging-to and aligning-with, and Rose suggested they read the information on our websites to get impressions. When I told Mary I’d send her the links after the session by email, she said she had already read them! So I asked her what her impressions were, and she mostly strongly identified with Sumari, and a little bit with Vold. My immediate impression was that she was a double Sumari (who by definition tend to reject ALL typologies by nature as Seth pointed out in the original information, which I find humorous and ironic!).
Rose confirmed then that she was indeed a double Sumari (just like Jane Roberts, so she’s in good company!) I also thought it no accident that Mary lived in a progressive, artistic city like San Francisco! Too funny, and interesting that Rose tested her, by not giving her any info right off the bat, but only after Mary offered her own impressions. Then Rose was right there to clarify them.
The session ended at 7:27 PM, close to two and half hours once again! Nardine said she’d work on the transcript right away so that we can publish in the next week or so, and make it available as more folks are getting interested in the Rose sessions.
Also, Sarah had fallen asleep on Joanne’s shoulder during the second half. It was very cute and I was pleased that she was comfy enough with JoRose’s energy to sleep soundly. When she woke up, her father, George, teased her that she had been snoring and drooling, much to her chagrin! But we all quickly chimed in a reassured her that she slept more like an angel than anything else. We do enjoy the presence of child at our sessions!
Finally, Tom brought a dozen lovely red roses. I put them in a vase next to JoRose, and they were a nice addition to our décor. We sat around with full bellies, and discussed the session and other topics until around 9:30 PM. when Jo and I turned into pumpkins. Our company left us until the next Dinner & A Dead Gal on Labor Day weekend.
Endnotes
[1] Paul’s note: For more info on Rose’s new words, see The Rose Glossary.
[2] Paul’s note: Elias has provided detailed information on how essence (subjective awareness) communicates directly with us (objective awareness). Rose has begun by helping people connect with their intent and purpose, since that foundation helps people communicate more directly with essence. For example, since we each have a unique intent and purpose in life, we will tend to emphasize certain avenues of communication over others. Someone may be a natural lucid dreamer, or get information in reverie via imagination, or learn to read their emotions to great detail, use muscle testing, pendulums, Ouija boards, autotype, voice channel and on and on. So it is now clearer that Rose is building off of Elias’ information as well, but with her unique approach.
Thus far, Elias has included dream imagery, emotions, physical senses (vision, hearing, taste, touch, and smell), inner senses (empathic, conceptual, differential time), impulses, impressions, physical body expressions (symptoms of dis-ease), language, intuitions (another term for inner senses and dreams), and imagination as avenues of essence communication. In other words, learning to master these avenues will help us connect more directly with our essence, and when coupled with knowing fully our intent and purpose in life, to better follow our way of spirit and live more fulfilled lives. For more info, see Digests: avenues of communication.
August 2, 2008, 4:45 PM.
Participants: Joanne, Paul, Ursula, George, Frieda (Pennsylvania), Joe (Colorado), Catherine (Tennessee), Rodney (New Jersey), Arianna & Sue (Alberta, Canada), Tom (New Jersey), Nardine (Melbourne, Australia), Cynthia (Oklahoma), and Rumi the cat.
We continued to prototype our conference phone capabilities, and nine people from three countries joined the fun, making it our first international session! Thanks to all who participated, the energy was really great, and you helped us refine our high-tech setup (which includes a video camera, audio recorder, and Klingon space pod… err conference phone :-).
The session lasted 2:25 with a twenty minute dinner break. After an introductory riff on facing our fears with love, Rose moved into the practice of sontering. Sontering is one of Rose’s made-up words, but she explains the practice as an action of concentrating on the breath to imagine we’re breathing in essence, which is omnipresent. The idea is to let go of thoughts, and concentrate on the fealing tone of essence, and that merging with essence can feal like sex!
Now who can resist that kind of carrot in trying out the sontering practice?! Rose claims that when we sonter our essence (like our God of Self as in Jane Roberts’s God of Jane concept), then we feal blissful, and experience beyond our thoughts. This is not a kind of repression or denial of problems and challenges, but a relaxing of the outer egoic self in a mergence with our inner ego, an Aspect of essence. The result is a widening of awareness and blissful fealings.
Rose opened the floor to questions, and there were none. So Rose seeded the questions by asking, “Who makes the decisions? Ego or essence? There were still no takers, so Rose continued without skipping a beat and introduced a new word, fone, as a play on phone and feel. The idea is to “fone home,” like E.T., but to connect with essence. I marveled at how Rose continued to come up with variations of “All Roads Lead to Essence” – to the God of Paul, the God of Joanne, and the God of You!
[This reflects Rose’s stated bottom line – to help us connect directly with essence. And it is quite a challenge!]
Rodney then broke the ice, and asked a question about not yet being cognizant of essence speaking directly to him, and yet he experiences a “blanked out” state sometimes when in the bathroom. Rose mentioned that his was an efficient way to be in the world, and said it was similar to what she calls resting-in-Rose – a type of subtle realm samadhi (meditative concentration or absorption).
Joe asked some questions, and tried to corner Rose by first asking if she answered yes/no questions, to which she answered, “Yes.” Joe then asked if he had channeled an essence named David during a certain experience, and Rose gave him a longer answer than a simple yes or no. Joe is exploring trance channeling and was wondering if this David essence would be the one?
Rose tried to steer him into the area of exploring conscious channeling by recommending autotyping, which she does to many individuals that she talks to. But Joe expressed his interest was more in trance channeling, and Rose didn’t provide any further specifics, except that the autotyping suggestion may have provided Joe the practice to become a trance channeler, as Jo (who is a conscious channeler) may be in time. Rose may also have been testing him.
[Rose’s “tests” are new for people who may be used to Kris, Elias, or other channelers who don’t teach the same way as Rose. So they take some getting used. For example, Elias and Kris will speak cryptically or in vague generalizations sometimes, but in the end their advice is meant to help us focus on and address our issues.]
Joe also asked about using his present self to become another focus of attention in another dimension, and Rose suggested that he as essence is always in other dimensions, that he visits other dimensions in his dream state every night, and that he, as focus, needs only to remember.
Cynthia asked about her intent, and wanting to help herself and others by facilitating the shift. Rose told her that her belonging-to and aligning-with from Elias were reversed, that she belonged-to Tumold, and aligned-with Sumafi. I suspect this was a test, in that it was a way to break out of the assumption that Elias’ readings of our intents are Absolutes.
[Rose can be a bit of a trickster, and it keeps us all off-balance. So when Cynthia later asked me during break what I thought, I stated that I still lean in the direction of the accuracy of Elias’ readings, but Rose is simply attempting to help break out of the simple box of a two-pack reading and that’s that.]
Rose mentioned that we all have a sense of what our innate intents are – what we do naturally and well in all phases of our lives – and what we call it isn’t as important as living it and putting it to work for us in our everyday lives, jobs, relationships, hobbies, and other activities that we find satisfying.
We took a break at 5:41 PM. I talked with Rodney about sontering, and with Cynthia about Rose’s purpose for contradicting Elias’ intent readings. I mentioned Kris’ six-pack as another example of a different perspective, and how that confused a lot of Elias folks who take his word as literal gospel, and that this is what Rose is doing – trying to break us free from the habit of taking various essence’s readings too literally. There was more, of course, but that will come out in the transcript.
When we resumed at 6:08 PM, Rose explained a little more on sontering, so I included all those bits on this week’s Podcast.
[I find it to be a quite beautiful variation on the theme of learning how to meditate, change focus, change state into the subtle realm and connect directly with essence.]
I then asked about George’s test, from sessions 235 and 239, as during the previous week George was finally able to call his mentor, Charlie, and verified that he was still alive, though he was engaging the action of transition. Rose claimed that she had tapped into Charlie’s energy deposit, and that an Aspect of Charlie had been translated through Joanne in the original session.
George also mentioned during break that during that original interaction with Rose/Charlie, Joanne sounded and acted like Charlie, which is why he was so confused when all the details given during that reading turned out to be, what I called “crap.”
[In hindsight, I admit that I was quite contrary in my questioning, having been the butt of several of Rose’s tests, and even a bit on the frustrated side. I don’t like tests! But this is why Rose gives them, to force us to see things from a different angle, and it’s not always easy or pretty. However, in the long run, I can attest to their constructive nature, as George stated after the session that he has gotten a lot out of his attendance at our Rose sessions since April. He keeps coming back, and he gets value, so that is why I say Rose’s tests ARE constructive, even though they may be difficult to digest initially.
[I also believe this may be why some new folks are afraid to ask questions, realizing that once they directly engage Rose, there are going to be challenges involved that require courage to face and process. How many are really ready to face and overcome their fears?]
Next, Cynthia asked about who chooses our intent, and Rose pointed out that both the focus and essence are involved as they’re really not separate things at all – they are cleverly nested structures within our awareness. Essence is always with us, always loving, always involved with our creations. Rose mentioned that she was only providing intent readings as “orienting generalizations” to ballpark us so we can go even further with the essence family information, and not get too literal or stuck with it.
I asked a follow up question about the subdivisions or subfamilies, suggesting that within the nine main ones, there are over 362,000 possible permutations for subfamilies, and that allowed a lot of room for more specific hybrids and variations of intent than just the main nine. For instance, Sue Watkins understood this part of the original information discussed by Seth in Jane Roberts’s ESP class. And we have gotten 7-8 in the Elias forum, so I wondered if that was the direction that Rose was going?
Rose replied that she was going to stay in the general area of the nine main ones for now. She also mentioned that when she gives the number of focuses, she will use general numbers like 500 as an “orienting generalization” for anywhere between 175 and 1075.
[Elias, as we know, is very specific, but in either case, we have no way to confirm or deny their veracity. We simply cannot yet “see” from our essence’s perspective, so I believe we have to take this metaphysical information with a large grain of salt, especially when the validity claim is: are they telling the truth to the best of their ability? With Rose and Elias, I would say the answer is a firm “Yes,” but they make different choices based on different teaching styles and intents. In this way, I think it’s crucial not to get hung up in surface level differences, but to seek the subtext – each has their own way to help us out.
[For instance, Elias’ stated agenda is to help reduce the trauma of the shift. Rose’s agenda is to help us connect directly with essence. One could surmise that Rose’s agenda would lessen the trauma of shifting, and vice versa, that Elias’ would help us widen awareness to connect more directly with essence. So this is part of learning to adequately discern and interpret various channeled sources’ meanings. They are easy to distort, since we all perceive them from our own unique developmental stages.]
Ursula then asked a question about her intent name, as she’s been wrestling with creating one. Rose told her she belonged-to Milumet and aligned-with Tumold to help ballpark her continued explorations.
George asked about Charlie again, and what his choice for a next focus might be, and Rose went in yet another contrary direction by saying that George was grappling with a fear of death, fear of annihilation in terms of his own death. In the end Rose gave George one of her “gold stars” for following up on a specific area that Rose wanted to clarify and at the same time was in a specific area of interest for George. She gave George a hook to get more information, and George picked up on that and asked the question.
Joe asked a follow up question about his quest to manifest in another dimension as this focus, and Rose again suggested that he does that as essence, not as a focus, so by connecting with essence that would become clearer.
Catherine asked for some tips on OOBs and Rose provided a simple practice of meditating, resting-in-Rose, and then imagining herself in her dream body, imagining her body getting up and moving around.
[I know from experience, that if you can maintain awareness as you change state, fall asleep WITH awareness, you will transition right into the first dream body (Seth talks of three main dream bodies, with the last one transitioning into the formless domain of the causal).]
We ended the session at 7:05 PM, and continued to chat for a couple of hours with George and Ursula on our deck, as it had cooled off nicely, and the sunset turned into dusk, and then darkness. We ended our evening together around 9:15.