Dinner & A Dead Gal, Session 272
August 2, 2008, 4:45 PM.
Participants: Joanne, Paul, Ursula, George, Frieda (Pennsylvania), Joe (Colorado), Catherine (Tennessee), Rodney (New Jersey), Arianna & Sue (Alberta, Canada), Tom (New Jersey), Nardine (Melbourne, Australia), Cynthia (Oklahoma), and Rumi the cat.
We continued to prototype our conference phone capabilities, and nine people from three countries joined the fun, making it our first international session! Thanks to all who participated, the energy was really great, and you helped us refine our high-tech setup (which includes a video camera, audio recorder, and Klingon space pod… err conference phone :-).
The session lasted 2:25 with a twenty minute dinner break. After an introductory riff on facing our fears with love, Rose moved into the practice of sontering. Sontering is one of Rose’s made-up words, but she explains the practice as an action of concentrating on the breath to imagine we’re breathing in essence, which is omnipresent. The idea is to let go of thoughts, and concentrate on the fealing tone of essence, and that merging with essence can feal like sex!
Now who can resist that kind of carrot in trying out the sontering practice?! Rose claims that when we sonter our essence (like our God of Self as in Jane Roberts’s God of Jane concept), then we feal blissful, and experience beyond our thoughts. This is not a kind of repression or denial of problems and challenges, but a relaxing of the outer egoic self in a mergence with our inner ego, an Aspect of essence. The result is a widening of awareness and blissful fealings.
Rose opened the floor to questions, and there were none. So Rose seeded the questions by asking, “Who makes the decisions? Ego or essence? There were still no takers, so Rose continued without skipping a beat and introduced a new word, fone, as a play on phone and feel. The idea is to “fone home,” like E.T., but to connect with essence. I marveled at how Rose continued to come up with variations of “All Roads Lead to Essence” – to the God of Paul, the God of Joanne, and the God of You!
[This reflects Rose’s stated bottom line – to help us connect directly with essence. And it is quite a challenge!]
Rodney then broke the ice, and asked a question about not yet being cognizant of essence speaking directly to him, and yet he experiences a “blanked out” state sometimes when in the bathroom. Rose mentioned that his was an efficient way to be in the world, and said it was similar to what she calls resting-in-Rose – a type of subtle realm samadhi (meditative concentration or absorption).
Joe asked some questions, and tried to corner Rose by first asking if she answered yes/no questions, to which she answered, “Yes.” Joe then asked if he had channeled an essence named David during a certain experience, and Rose gave him a longer answer than a simple yes or no. Joe is exploring trance channeling and was wondering if this David essence would be the one?
Rose tried to steer him into the area of exploring conscious channeling by recommending autotyping, which she does to many individuals that she talks to. But Joe expressed his interest was more in trance channeling, and Rose didn’t provide any further specifics, except that the autotyping suggestion may have provided Joe the practice to become a trance channeler, as Jo (who is a conscious channeler) may be in time. Rose may also have been testing him.
[Rose’s “tests” are new for people who may be used to Kris, Elias, or other channelers who don’t teach the same way as Rose. So they take some getting used. For example, Elias and Kris will speak cryptically or in vague generalizations sometimes, but in the end their advice is meant to help us focus on and address our issues.]
Joe also asked about using his present self to become another focus of attention in another dimension, and Rose suggested that he as essence is always in other dimensions, that he visits other dimensions in his dream state every night, and that he, as focus, needs only to remember.
Cynthia asked about her intent, and wanting to help herself and others by facilitating the shift. Rose told her that her belonging-to and aligning-with from Elias were reversed, that she belonged-to Tumold, and aligned-with Sumafi. I suspect this was a test, in that it was a way to break out of the assumption that Elias’ readings of our intents are Absolutes.
[Rose can be a bit of a trickster, and it keeps us all off-balance. So when Cynthia later asked me during break what I thought, I stated that I still lean in the direction of the accuracy of Elias’ readings, but Rose is simply attempting to help break out of the simple box of a two-pack reading and that’s that.]
Rose mentioned that we all have a sense of what our innate intents are – what we do naturally and well in all phases of our lives – and what we call it isn’t as important as living it and putting it to work for us in our everyday lives, jobs, relationships, hobbies, and other activities that we find satisfying.
We took a break at 5:41 PM. I talked with Rodney about sontering, and with Cynthia about Rose’s purpose for contradicting Elias’ intent readings. I mentioned Kris’ six-pack as another example of a different perspective, and how that confused a lot of Elias folks who take his word as literal gospel, and that this is what Rose is doing – trying to break us free from the habit of taking various essence’s readings too literally. There was more, of course, but that will come out in the transcript.
When we resumed at 6:08 PM, Rose explained a little more on sontering, so I included all those bits on this week’s Podcast.
[I find it to be a quite beautiful variation on the theme of learning how to meditate, change focus, change state into the subtle realm and connect directly with essence.]
I then asked about George’s test, from sessions 235 and 239, as during the previous week George was finally able to call his mentor, Charlie, and verified that he was still alive, though he was engaging the action of transition. Rose claimed that she had tapped into Charlie’s energy deposit, and that an Aspect of Charlie had been translated through Joanne in the original session.
George also mentioned during break that during that original interaction with Rose/Charlie, Joanne sounded and acted like Charlie, which is why he was so confused when all the details given during that reading turned out to be, what I called “crap.”
[In hindsight, I admit that I was quite contrary in my questioning, having been the butt of several of Rose’s tests, and even a bit on the frustrated side. I don’t like tests! But this is why Rose gives them, to force us to see things from a different angle, and it’s not always easy or pretty. However, in the long run, I can attest to their constructive nature, as George stated after the session that he has gotten a lot out of his attendance at our Rose sessions since April. He keeps coming back, and he gets value, so that is why I say Rose’s tests ARE constructive, even though they may be difficult to digest initially.
[I also believe this may be why some new folks are afraid to ask questions, realizing that once they directly engage Rose, there are going to be challenges involved that require courage to face and process. How many are really ready to face and overcome their fears?]
Next, Cynthia asked about who chooses our intent, and Rose pointed out that both the focus and essence are involved as they’re really not separate things at all – they are cleverly nested structures within our awareness. Essence is always with us, always loving, always involved with our creations. Rose mentioned that she was only providing intent readings as “orienting generalizations” to ballpark us so we can go even further with the essence family information, and not get too literal or stuck with it.
I asked a follow up question about the subdivisions or subfamilies, suggesting that within the nine main ones, there are over 362,000 possible permutations for subfamilies, and that allowed a lot of room for more specific hybrids and variations of intent than just the main nine. For instance, Sue Watkins understood this part of the original information discussed by Seth in Jane Roberts’s ESP class. And we have gotten 7-8 in the Elias forum, so I wondered if that was the direction that Rose was going?
Rose replied that she was going to stay in the general area of the nine main ones for now. She also mentioned that when she gives the number of focuses, she will use general numbers like 500 as an “orienting generalization” for anywhere between 175 and 1075.
[Elias, as we know, is very specific, but in either case, we have no way to confirm or deny their veracity. We simply cannot yet “see” from our essence’s perspective, so I believe we have to take this metaphysical information with a large grain of salt, especially when the validity claim is: are they telling the truth to the best of their ability? With Rose and Elias, I would say the answer is a firm “Yes,” but they make different choices based on different teaching styles and intents. In this way, I think it’s crucial not to get hung up in surface level differences, but to seek the subtext – each has their own way to help us out.
[For instance, Elias’ stated agenda is to help reduce the trauma of the shift. Rose’s agenda is to help us connect directly with essence. One could surmise that Rose’s agenda would lessen the trauma of shifting, and vice versa, that Elias’ would help us widen awareness to connect more directly with essence. So this is part of learning to adequately discern and interpret various channeled sources’ meanings. They are easy to distort, since we all perceive them from our own unique developmental stages.]
Ursula then asked a question about her intent name, as she’s been wrestling with creating one. Rose told her she belonged-to Milumet and aligned-with Tumold to help ballpark her continued explorations.
George asked about Charlie again, and what his choice for a next focus might be, and Rose went in yet another contrary direction by saying that George was grappling with a fear of death, fear of annihilation in terms of his own death. In the end Rose gave George one of her “gold stars” for following up on a specific area that Rose wanted to clarify and at the same time was in a specific area of interest for George. She gave George a hook to get more information, and George picked up on that and asked the question.
Joe asked a follow up question about his quest to manifest in another dimension as this focus, and Rose again suggested that he does that as essence, not as a focus, so by connecting with essence that would become clearer.
Catherine asked for some tips on OOBs and Rose provided a simple practice of meditating, resting-in-Rose, and then imagining herself in her dream body, imagining her body getting up and moving around.
[I know from experience, that if you can maintain awareness as you change state, fall asleep WITH awareness, you will transition right into the first dream body (Seth talks of three main dream bodies, with the last one transitioning into the formless domain of the causal).]
We ended the session at 7:05 PM, and continued to chat for a couple of hours with George and Ursula on our deck, as it had cooled off nicely, and the sunset turned into dusk, and then darkness. We ended our evening together around 9:15.