August 30, 2008, 4:36 PM.
Participants: Joanne, Paul, Ursula, Caryn, George, Sarah, Tom, Jim, Catherine (Tennessee), Nardine (Heathcote Vic, Australia), Mary (California), Christoph (Vienna), Eduardo (Colorado), and Rumi the cat.
We had another great session this past Saturday as five folks joined us on the teleconference for our fourth Dinner & A Dead Gal. We may just name this session Questions & Answers as Rose, once again, opened the floor for questions after a brief opening. Rather than detail everything I’m going to provide an overview of the main issues the group explored. Also, you can read the transcript when it comes out in several weeks for all the gory details.
[I wanted to begin with some personal observations on how the Rose phenomenon continues to develop for me as I had an interesting experience in which I observed how much personal responsibility I take for every answer given by Rose. Is it accurate? Is it useful? What if she’s leading people astray? Why did she go in THAT direction, and why didn’t she go in THIS direction? Etcetera.
[Over the three hours I observed that Rose provided answers based on the group’s collective energy, but also geared to individuals working through their own issues. So what is deeply meaningful to one person may not be a huge insight for another, yet that, in turn, may be a big help to someone with a similar issue reads the transcript or listens to a Podcast. As that light bulb went off in my head, I began to relax, let go, and “trust and allow” – as Rose teaches, to feal into each interaction and sense how people will get what they need to from Rose’s words. Or not!
[I reminded myself how Vicki Pendley and Mary Ennis, in particular, struggled in the same way during the early years of the Elias phenomenon, taking way too much personal responsibility for every word “Elias said” and learning to “trust and accept” (Elias’ variation) that people would get out of their interactions what they needed.]
Tom, who once again brought a dozen pink roses, opened with a question about the upcoming US presidential election, and Barack Obama got the “Rose seal of approval” in terms of candidates who would effect change in line with the shift in consciousness.
[I was pleased to hear that because I believe that Obama is the best compromise of a candidate who can begin to right the ruinous course of eight years of the Bush/Cheney Administration (who I call “the gang who couldn’t shoot straight”). I hope and pray that we collectively choose to keep Obama and his family safe from the kind of egocentric malevolence that cut the lives of Martin Luther King, and the Kennedy brothers short. As always, time will tell.]
Catherine followed up with questions about three dead squirrels, related “ghost” imagery, and autotyping experiments, which suggested she “talk to Rose” to verify what’s going on. Rose replied that “the ghosts are you,” meaning that those subtle energies we sense about ourselves that seem to originate “outside” of us are actually “inside” of us, and Aspects of us, so there is no reason to fear them. In fact, learning to allow them and work with them will help develop her autotyping abilities.
[I found this to be an interesting development, as Rose encourages all of us to learn what our best way to channel is, because this is a direct connection with essence.]
Christoph asked some questions about his fears of aging, and Rose provide a long answer that we used for this session’s Podcast.
[I also noted the preponderance of fear threads in our group sessions this Spring and Summer. And while some of them have been challenging, all have been authentic, real, and useful ways of learning to work within the limits of fear as an emotion that’s intended to force us into action. According to Rose, that’s its main benefit.
[So it’s not something to deny and repress, but recognize and address to. It seems to be another thematic trend that Rose is using to lead into our Halloweany Group Session and One Day Workshop whose theme is: Face Your Fears, Follow Your Intent.]
Mary asked about manipulating her energy centers, particularly her yellow, and Rose suggested she move the green and pink down to help soothe or settle it when out of balance. Mary also offered her impressions for her essence name and Rose applauded her efforts, but guided her to select an intent name in the mean time.
[Later after Eduardo and Caryn offered some feedback and impressions on their own intentionality, I had another light bulb moment in which I better understood why Rose is downplaying essence names right now and focusing, instead, on intent names. We are blessed to be part of meshwork through NewWorldView that connects us with the teachings of Seth, Elias, and Kris, all of whom regularly provided essence names. I, for example, have received one from both Elias (Caroll) and Kris (Janaki). But I realized that with all the work I’ve done with the intent name practice over the last eleven years I am actually more connected to THAT in terms of my essence than to my essence names.
[It’s not that one is better than the other, they are complementary in my view. The essence name becomes a loving bond between teacher and student that we trace back to Seth, Jane, and Rob. But the intent name is something that we ultimately come up with ourSelves. It is NOT given to us by the authority figure, though they may guide us along the way. When we become our own authority, we become more powerful conscious creators and co-creators with All-That-Is. This is why Rose is “being testy” or seemingly contrary with essence names right now, to help us become our own authorities.
[Moreover, Rose has offered 7-8 essence names thus far. So I don’t believe she will stop using them all together because she sometimes refers to us using essence names. Coinkidinkily, Rose has never given Joanne and I unique essence names. Since her first appearance she has used those already provided by Elias and Kris, along with our regular names.]
A visitor from New York City – Jim – brought his lovely daughter Ella to attend Cal Arts, just down the freeway from us in Valencia. He asked some questions about the Church he grew up in, founded by immigrants from Hungary that used mediums to talk to deceased family and friends. It was a hybrid form of Christianity that exposed him early to mediumship, hence his interest that led him to attend a Rose session while in Castaic, CA.
Jim realized that the format used by his childhood Church was wrapped in the dogmatic, mythic forms of traditional religion, and thus had limits. Rose confirmed his intuition that our generation is widening awareness and ready for a new, more sophisticated version of information that is being presented by the channelers we study through NewWorldView, including Rose.
George gave us the cover to his Thin Lizzy album called Black Rose. So that was more Rose imagery to put on display. During break, we had a delicious dinner of sausage stew, smoked salmon, veggie dip, mixed fruit, European bread, sweet rolls, and cheesecake, all washed down by the usual assortment of beverages and spirits.
George also shared a powerful dream in which a rodent that was wrapped around his lower right leg was released. He woke up feeling as though a heavy burden had been lifted! Rose confirmed that he had “passed a test” in that he was no longer attached to the issue represented by the rodent, and once George stopped lending energy in that direction, he simply let it go, and the energy was released.
In other words, he didn’t need to overanalyze the imagery, instead just go with the fealing tone of letting go totally within his energy. It’s a more fealing-centered process than a thought-centered process, something that Rose continues to reinforce in these group sessions.
The summer sessions have been averaging three hours with a 20-30 minute break. I have been impressed by the stamina, focus, and concentration of the group because it takes that kind of energy to hang with Rose for three hours! Still, last Saturday Rose seemed ready to go another hour, but we had to cut it short because our scheduled time to use the phone bridge was up at 7:25 PM.
We said our goodbyes and thank-yous to everyone in phone land, and how much we appreciated their participation and lending energy to the Rose forum. People stayed until 10 PM. when Jo and I turned into pumpkins. As usual, we had some very interesting conversations based on the session, Rumi got spoiled with attention and snacks, and Jo continued to give short ten minute Rose readings to those interested after the session.
Now that it’s September and we’re moving into conference, workshop, and holiday season, we’ve decided to move to a three week schedule through the New Year. This will help us catch up on our transcribing, which is going great guns, for instance, we just published four new transcripts since Monday, two privates, and two groups.
Finally, we are looking forward to speaking at the Colorado Seth Conference next week in Denver. Our next Dinner & A Dead Gal will be on September 20th, we hope to see you all Zen!
August 16, 2008, 4:41 PM.
Participants: Joanne, Paul, Ursula, George, Sarah, Tom, Catherine (Tennessee), Nardine (Melbourne, Australia), Cynthia (Oklahoma), Mary (California), Marcos (New York), Will (California), Debi (California), and Rumi the cat.
We had another long session this past Saturday as eight folks joined us on the teleconference for our second Int’l. Session. We may just name this session Questions & Answers as Rose simply opened the floor for questions after a brief opening in which she coined yet another new word [1] (which is rapidly becoming a signature part of her material).
She coined the word “decine” – a combination of decide and divine as we “decide what our way of Divine intervention will be.” In other words, in what ways do we prefer to communicate directly with essence? [2]
Then she opened the floor to questions and … once again there was dead silence! To solicit questions, Rose asked us to define what our favorite things were because our “way of spirit” (or deciding what way of divine intervention we choose) consists of doing our favorite things. George, who has attended every group session since April, humorously suggested that Rose’s tests were among his favorite things, much to the amusement of everyone!
But that broke the ice, and Rose went on to remind us that, yes, she will provide tests when we approach her with an attitude that she’s an infallible source, and take every word as truth with a capital “T”. Of course, the light bulb went on in my mind as to why folks have been hesitant to initially ask questions in the last couple of weeks when Rose opened the floor. They are afraid of being tested! George should know since he is the first person, beside Joanne and I, to be tested by Rose. (For the gory details on George’s “Charlie Test,” see Session 235, April 06, 2008 and Session 239, April 26, 2008).
Marcos then braved the way and asked a question about his personal direction since moving to New York City, and wondering if he was on a detour. All of sudden, there was terrible interference on the phone line! And we all laughed because many of us knew from experience with Elias and Kris on phone sessions that sometimes our fear and anxiety get translated within energy as these kinds of noises. But Rose began to answer him and things settled down as they almost always do. The gist of her answer was that he (and we by implication) is always on our path no matter what we choose, and yet, sometimes we can take detours, and we will eventually recognize them and address to them.
George asked about some physical symptoms he experienced during the preceding week that included blurred vision, and pain in one eye. George intuited that this was an example of “conscious creation in action,” and Rose suggested that he allowed an essence communication, seeing things with new eyes and learning to sonter, or breathe in, essence. She gave him a gold star for being open to the experience, even though it caused him some anxious moments!
Catherine asked about her Aunt who felt since she was young that she should be named Wendy.
[I noted here that Rose gave her first integral answer in that she provided two main thrusts of information that spoke directly to two different worldview systems (AMBER/traditional and GREEN/postmodern) without marginalizing either!]
First, for her Aunt who is a Southern Baptist and not aware of this kind of material, Rose suggested that she refer to her Holy Book (the Bible) for help, since she may believe that her strange feelings are the work of the Devil.
Rose assured Catherine that this was not the case, and that in postmodern terms Wendy was a future focus that was bleeding through her awareness. Unfortunately, the Bible provides no updated information on future or past lifetimes, so her Aunt has a very narrow window in which to interpret her “strange feelings,” and yet Rose didn’t impose an explanation on her that she would not be ready to understand. As such, she knew that Catherine’s Aunt would find comfort in her Bible and suggesting that Wendy is an angel.
Catherine then asked about three squirrels that died outside her home earlier in the summer and their bodies made a kind of triangle around a tree. What was the message? Rose took an unusual direction and began with “imaginary ghosts” to represent subtle energies that are ever-present around us all, and that they are not to be feared.
[In hindsight, it may have been Rose’s way to help Catherine to not fear altered states or other unusual energies that may physically express themselves as the shift progresses. I had several dreams Sunday and Monday morning about “imaginary ghosts” that I recorded but have yet to detail in my dream journal. But it’s an interesting side effect of how an answer to someone else’s question can influence another person.]
Rose also went into the fear of death (something we all have) and the squirrels helped her deal with that inevitability.
I asked a follow-up to Catherine’s question about OOBs in the previous D&DG (session 272) to see if she had any results from trying Rose’s projection technique (transferring conscious awareness into a dream body while falling asleep). Catherine mentioned that she had been in work mode since we last spoke and didn’t get any results.
[Ironically, this piqued my curiosity and I managed to have several lucid dreams Sunday and Monday mornings using that transference technique. It’s most effective for me in the 3-6 AM sleep cycles, having already gotten some deep sleep and allowing my awareness to be more awake as I fall back asleep after going to the bathroom, or in one case, just changing positions, waking up and maintaining awareness of the previous dreamscape and as I fell back in, transferring awareness into a lucid dream body. Cool stuff!]
Next, Tom asked a great question based on Rose’s opening riff. He asked what her definition of Divine is. Rose offered a long explanation, and I asked a couple of follow up questions that further expanded things. The fifteen minute exchange became this week’s Podcast and you can listen to it by clicking on the icon. (We publish a Podcast of a pithy Rose excerpt every Monday after a group session. You will also find this icon in the transcripts now.)
This exchange took us to our break at 5:49 PM. Jo and I talked on the phone line for a bit and answered questions while munching on dinner. Dinner consisted of havarti-dill cheese and crackers, sliced pork sausages, ham with bread, a peanut noodle dish, pasta salad, and mixed fruit all washed down with the usual assortment of wines, water, and iced-tea.
We resumed at 6:17 PM. The second half started with George’s daughter, Sarah, resting-ON-Rose, as he joked. She was snuggled up to JoRose and listened as the group engaged the second half.
Rose explained that the way of spirit allows our sensory experience to bring us satisfaction along with realization of essence in our days, a poetic description of learning to realize more deeply how essence communicates in various ways that include our sensory experiences.
Rather than detail the second half, I’ll just add some highlights, because the whole session will be available as a transcript in a couple of weeks thanks to Nardine in Australia!
Marcos mentioned dreams with deep sadness, longing, and melancholy over the years, but over time he’s come to realize that there is deep fulfillment via essence. Rose mentioned that suffering is part of what makes us human, and there’s even a beauty to it at times. The way of spirit calls on us to suffer sometimes, but again, the point is to learn to avoid and end suffering in all cases.
[In other words, there’s nothing overtly spiritual about suffering, and it doesn’t make us more spiritual because we have a cross to bear. That’s a leftover from the traditional worldview value system – that suffering makes us closer to God – but our postmodern worldview understands that suffering may lead to great fulfillment only once we understand how we create it, learn to take full responsibility for all our creations, good and bad.]
Marcos also said he came to further understand Seth’s idea of value fulfillment more deeply in that it allows for great suffering, but focuses on fun, joy, and pleasure.
[Marcos is right on target. We need to include the shadows and the light, and not repress them because they’ll always come back to bite us in the ass big time! Only through learning about the nature of suffering through our own foibles, mistakes, and detours do we come to understand how we create the good and bad, darkness and the light, pleasure and pain. Only then can we bring deeper awareness and acceptance to our joy and suffering as they never go away. Marginalizing or repressing the bad with New Age “feel good,” “in the light,” etc., kind of sentiments only makes our suffering that much worse.]
George mentioned that Elias describes his energy as being represented by blue dots or blue imagery. So then, “what color is Rose?” Rose said that we connect with her energy when we feel good, senxy, in subjective ways, and with our mirth (deep sense of humor and joy)! She also communicates through birds.
Rose emphasized that we connect with her in a fealing-tone that is blissful. I pointed out that I do experience Elias’ energy as blue dots mostly, but that I experience Rose’s energy as a blanket of pink and sometimes magenta that just permeates my awareness during meditation or resting-in-Rose (a kind of savikalpa or subtle realm samadhi).
Rose confirmed that this was indeed one way to experience her energy, but that it was still included in the more general definition she gave previously. In other words, she doesn’t want people to identify her fealing-tone with only a color.
I also mentioned that Elias associated Rose as a Sumafi essence representing Borledim in his game that taught us about interpreting impressions (another form of essence communication). So I’ve had a pink color associated with her energy for eleven years now, and while that may be a self-fulfilling manifestation, it still is how I create a color exchange with Rose’s energy (I have also begun dreaming of her as a wise woman archetype in the past year).
Mary asked Rose to provide her with an essence family belonging-to and aligning-with, and Rose suggested they read the information on our websites to get impressions. When I told Mary I’d send her the links after the session by email, she said she had already read them! So I asked her what her impressions were, and she mostly strongly identified with Sumari, and a little bit with Vold. My immediate impression was that she was a double Sumari (who by definition tend to reject ALL typologies by nature as Seth pointed out in the original information, which I find humorous and ironic!).
Rose confirmed then that she was indeed a double Sumari (just like Jane Roberts, so she’s in good company!) I also thought it no accident that Mary lived in a progressive, artistic city like San Francisco! Too funny, and interesting that Rose tested her, by not giving her any info right off the bat, but only after Mary offered her own impressions. Then Rose was right there to clarify them.
The session ended at 7:27 PM, close to two and half hours once again! Nardine said she’d work on the transcript right away so that we can publish in the next week or so, and make it available as more folks are getting interested in the Rose sessions.
Also, Sarah had fallen asleep on Joanne’s shoulder during the second half. It was very cute and I was pleased that she was comfy enough with JoRose’s energy to sleep soundly. When she woke up, her father, George, teased her that she had been snoring and drooling, much to her chagrin! But we all quickly chimed in a reassured her that she slept more like an angel than anything else. We do enjoy the presence of child at our sessions!
Finally, Tom brought a dozen lovely red roses. I put them in a vase next to JoRose, and they were a nice addition to our décor. We sat around with full bellies, and discussed the session and other topics until around 9:30 PM. when Jo and I turned into pumpkins. Our company left us until the next Dinner & A Dead Gal on Labor Day weekend.
Endnotes
[1] Paul’s note: For more info on Rose’s new words, see The Rose Glossary.
[2] Paul’s note: Elias has provided detailed information on how essence (subjective awareness) communicates directly with us (objective awareness). Rose has begun by helping people connect with their intent and purpose, since that foundation helps people communicate more directly with essence. For example, since we each have a unique intent and purpose in life, we will tend to emphasize certain avenues of communication over others. Someone may be a natural lucid dreamer, or get information in reverie via imagination, or learn to read their emotions to great detail, use muscle testing, pendulums, Ouija boards, autotype, voice channel and on and on. So it is now clearer that Rose is building off of Elias’ information as well, but with her unique approach.
Thus far, Elias has included dream imagery, emotions, physical senses (vision, hearing, taste, touch, and smell), inner senses (empathic, conceptual, differential time), impulses, impressions, physical body expressions (symptoms of dis-ease), language, intuitions (another term for inner senses and dreams), and imagination as avenues of essence communication. In other words, learning to master these avenues will help us connect more directly with our essence, and when coupled with knowing fully our intent and purpose in life, to better follow our way of spirit and live more fulfilled lives. For more info, see Digests: avenues of communication.
August 2, 2008, 4:45 PM.
Participants: Joanne, Paul, Ursula, George, Frieda (Pennsylvania), Joe (Colorado), Catherine (Tennessee), Rodney (New Jersey), Arianna & Sue (Alberta, Canada), Tom (New Jersey), Nardine (Melbourne, Australia), Cynthia (Oklahoma), and Rumi the cat.
We continued to prototype our conference phone capabilities, and nine people from three countries joined the fun, making it our first international session! Thanks to all who participated, the energy was really great, and you helped us refine our high-tech setup (which includes a video camera, audio recorder, and Klingon space pod… err conference phone :-).
The session lasted 2:25 with a twenty minute dinner break. After an introductory riff on facing our fears with love, Rose moved into the practice of sontering. Sontering is one of Rose’s made-up words, but she explains the practice as an action of concentrating on the breath to imagine we’re breathing in essence, which is omnipresent. The idea is to let go of thoughts, and concentrate on the fealing tone of essence, and that merging with essence can feal like sex!
Now who can resist that kind of carrot in trying out the sontering practice?! Rose claims that when we sonter our essence (like our God of Self as in Jane Roberts’s God of Jane concept), then we feal blissful, and experience beyond our thoughts. This is not a kind of repression or denial of problems and challenges, but a relaxing of the outer egoic self in a mergence with our inner ego, an Aspect of essence. The result is a widening of awareness and blissful fealings.
Rose opened the floor to questions, and there were none. So Rose seeded the questions by asking, “Who makes the decisions? Ego or essence? There were still no takers, so Rose continued without skipping a beat and introduced a new word, fone, as a play on phone and feel. The idea is to “fone home,” like E.T., but to connect with essence. I marveled at how Rose continued to come up with variations of “All Roads Lead to Essence” – to the God of Paul, the God of Joanne, and the God of You!
[This reflects Rose’s stated bottom line – to help us connect directly with essence. And it is quite a challenge!]
Rodney then broke the ice, and asked a question about not yet being cognizant of essence speaking directly to him, and yet he experiences a “blanked out” state sometimes when in the bathroom. Rose mentioned that his was an efficient way to be in the world, and said it was similar to what she calls resting-in-Rose – a type of subtle realm samadhi (meditative concentration or absorption).
Joe asked some questions, and tried to corner Rose by first asking if she answered yes/no questions, to which she answered, “Yes.” Joe then asked if he had channeled an essence named David during a certain experience, and Rose gave him a longer answer than a simple yes or no. Joe is exploring trance channeling and was wondering if this David essence would be the one?
Rose tried to steer him into the area of exploring conscious channeling by recommending autotyping, which she does to many individuals that she talks to. But Joe expressed his interest was more in trance channeling, and Rose didn’t provide any further specifics, except that the autotyping suggestion may have provided Joe the practice to become a trance channeler, as Jo (who is a conscious channeler) may be in time. Rose may also have been testing him.
[Rose’s “tests” are new for people who may be used to Kris, Elias, or other channelers who don’t teach the same way as Rose. So they take some getting used. For example, Elias and Kris will speak cryptically or in vague generalizations sometimes, but in the end their advice is meant to help us focus on and address our issues.]
Joe also asked about using his present self to become another focus of attention in another dimension, and Rose suggested that he as essence is always in other dimensions, that he visits other dimensions in his dream state every night, and that he, as focus, needs only to remember.
Cynthia asked about her intent, and wanting to help herself and others by facilitating the shift. Rose told her that her belonging-to and aligning-with from Elias were reversed, that she belonged-to Tumold, and aligned-with Sumafi. I suspect this was a test, in that it was a way to break out of the assumption that Elias’ readings of our intents are Absolutes.
[Rose can be a bit of a trickster, and it keeps us all off-balance. So when Cynthia later asked me during break what I thought, I stated that I still lean in the direction of the accuracy of Elias’ readings, but Rose is simply attempting to help break out of the simple box of a two-pack reading and that’s that.]
Rose mentioned that we all have a sense of what our innate intents are – what we do naturally and well in all phases of our lives – and what we call it isn’t as important as living it and putting it to work for us in our everyday lives, jobs, relationships, hobbies, and other activities that we find satisfying.
We took a break at 5:41 PM. I talked with Rodney about sontering, and with Cynthia about Rose’s purpose for contradicting Elias’ intent readings. I mentioned Kris’ six-pack as another example of a different perspective, and how that confused a lot of Elias folks who take his word as literal gospel, and that this is what Rose is doing – trying to break us free from the habit of taking various essence’s readings too literally. There was more, of course, but that will come out in the transcript.
When we resumed at 6:08 PM, Rose explained a little more on sontering, so I included all those bits on this week’s Podcast.
[I find it to be a quite beautiful variation on the theme of learning how to meditate, change focus, change state into the subtle realm and connect directly with essence.]
I then asked about George’s test, from sessions 235 and 239, as during the previous week George was finally able to call his mentor, Charlie, and verified that he was still alive, though he was engaging the action of transition. Rose claimed that she had tapped into Charlie’s energy deposit, and that an Aspect of Charlie had been translated through Joanne in the original session.
George also mentioned during break that during that original interaction with Rose/Charlie, Joanne sounded and acted like Charlie, which is why he was so confused when all the details given during that reading turned out to be, what I called “crap.”
[In hindsight, I admit that I was quite contrary in my questioning, having been the butt of several of Rose’s tests, and even a bit on the frustrated side. I don’t like tests! But this is why Rose gives them, to force us to see things from a different angle, and it’s not always easy or pretty. However, in the long run, I can attest to their constructive nature, as George stated after the session that he has gotten a lot out of his attendance at our Rose sessions since April. He keeps coming back, and he gets value, so that is why I say Rose’s tests ARE constructive, even though they may be difficult to digest initially.
[I also believe this may be why some new folks are afraid to ask questions, realizing that once they directly engage Rose, there are going to be challenges involved that require courage to face and process. How many are really ready to face and overcome their fears?]
Next, Cynthia asked about who chooses our intent, and Rose pointed out that both the focus and essence are involved as they’re really not separate things at all – they are cleverly nested structures within our awareness. Essence is always with us, always loving, always involved with our creations. Rose mentioned that she was only providing intent readings as “orienting generalizations” to ballpark us so we can go even further with the essence family information, and not get too literal or stuck with it.
I asked a follow up question about the subdivisions or subfamilies, suggesting that within the nine main ones, there are over 362,000 possible permutations for subfamilies, and that allowed a lot of room for more specific hybrids and variations of intent than just the main nine. For instance, Sue Watkins understood this part of the original information discussed by Seth in Jane Roberts’s ESP class. And we have gotten 7-8 in the Elias forum, so I wondered if that was the direction that Rose was going?
Rose replied that she was going to stay in the general area of the nine main ones for now. She also mentioned that when she gives the number of focuses, she will use general numbers like 500 as an “orienting generalization” for anywhere between 175 and 1075.
[Elias, as we know, is very specific, but in either case, we have no way to confirm or deny their veracity. We simply cannot yet “see” from our essence’s perspective, so I believe we have to take this metaphysical information with a large grain of salt, especially when the validity claim is: are they telling the truth to the best of their ability? With Rose and Elias, I would say the answer is a firm “Yes,” but they make different choices based on different teaching styles and intents. In this way, I think it’s crucial not to get hung up in surface level differences, but to seek the subtext – each has their own way to help us out.
[For instance, Elias’ stated agenda is to help reduce the trauma of the shift. Rose’s agenda is to help us connect directly with essence. One could surmise that Rose’s agenda would lessen the trauma of shifting, and vice versa, that Elias’ would help us widen awareness to connect more directly with essence. So this is part of learning to adequately discern and interpret various channeled sources’ meanings. They are easy to distort, since we all perceive them from our own unique developmental stages.]
Ursula then asked a question about her intent name, as she’s been wrestling with creating one. Rose told her she belonged-to Milumet and aligned-with Tumold to help ballpark her continued explorations.
George asked about Charlie again, and what his choice for a next focus might be, and Rose went in yet another contrary direction by saying that George was grappling with a fear of death, fear of annihilation in terms of his own death. In the end Rose gave George one of her “gold stars” for following up on a specific area that Rose wanted to clarify and at the same time was in a specific area of interest for George. She gave George a hook to get more information, and George picked up on that and asked the question.
Joe asked a follow up question about his quest to manifest in another dimension as this focus, and Rose again suggested that he does that as essence, not as a focus, so by connecting with essence that would become clearer.
Catherine asked for some tips on OOBs and Rose provided a simple practice of meditating, resting-in-Rose, and then imagining herself in her dream body, imagining her body getting up and moving around.
[I know from experience, that if you can maintain awareness as you change state, fall asleep WITH awareness, you will transition right into the first dream body (Seth talks of three main dream bodies, with the last one transitioning into the formless domain of the causal).]
We ended the session at 7:05 PM, and continued to chat for a couple of hours with George and Ursula on our deck, as it had cooled off nicely, and the sunset turned into dusk, and then darkness. We ended our evening together around 9:15.
July 19, 2008, 4:38 PM.
Participants: Joanne, Paul, Ursula, Caryn, Tom, Mike, Cat, George, Bob, Joyce, Frieda (Pennsylvania), Eric (Pennsylvania), and Will (California).
Newsflash: We officially changed the name of our Rose Potluck Dinners! Now that we have a better sense of Rose’s direction and style, it seemed appropriate to resurrect the name that expressed our irreverent and fun approach to exploring the unknown reality. Since our raison d’etre is to share food, drink, and conversation, we also expanded the tagline to include the “you” who never dies, yet creates 100% of its reality....
People arrived with their usual assortment of food and beverage for the potluck. But Tom, a new comer, appeared with a dozen long stem lavender roses that complemented the event They were absolutely gorgeous! We also continued to prototype our conference phone capabilities, and three folks called in to help out on that front. Our new phone system, which looks like a Klingon shuttle craft, passed with flying colors. It works great with cell phones and land lines. The experiment worked so well that we are going to offer a free call on August 2nd for anyone interested in joining us! Just send us an email to register for the 4:30 PM Pacific Time teleconference, and we will send you info the Friday before the session (an access code and phone number. The session is free, but you will incur the cost of a long distance phone call).
Rose spoke for just over 2.5 hours, so it was another marathon that covered a lot of ground and developed many of her new ideas. Joanne had a little tummy ache before the session, so Rose opened with riff on physical communications via body symptoms as an expression of the contrary self. In other words, shit happens for our best intentions! This led into a question about the nature of the contrary self and ego, and Rose delivered a lot of material on the ego and essence in relation to the contrary self. I compared ego to what Elias calls objective awareness and essence to what he calls subjective awareness to help connect the dots, and Rose said that I was in the ballpark.
[The contrary self is a new concept that Rose continues to develop, and the simplest way I conceptualize it is as my “common sense self.” That is, there are times when common sense dictates breaking the rules and being contrary, for example, not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign or screaming out your window that you’ve had enough and you’re not going to take it anymore! The bottom line is that the contrary self’s function is to help us realize our way of spirit, which always leads to our greatest fulfillment and that of others.
Also, Rose has been hammering away at the fact that outer ego (objective awareness) doesn’t call all the shots, doesn’t create 100% of our reality, because essence (subjective) is very involved, as are other Aspects of All-That-Is. This is contrary the popular New Age belief that thoughts create reality, they don’t. Thoughts are a translation mechanism meant to properly access over all life conditions and communicate them to essence, which in turn, instantly provides us with what we’re concentrating on (misery or bliss). So when we don’t accurately assess or translate what’s going on around and inside us, we run into problems.
The issue of free will came up and George wondered just how did essence intent color each focus? Rose said it colors a lot, but ego doesn’t call all the shots. It works in concert with essence intent. So when ego understands its essence intent, it will find its way of spirit, which will lead to its greatest fulfillment.
[This is also where the “veto power of essence” factors in. This is my own term based on the second Oversoul Seven book when one of the main characters, Joseph the painter in 17th century Netherlands, runs away in a drunken stupor due to a panic attack at the birth of his first child. He passes out on a mountain side and is about to freeze to death because his in-laws, who are searching for him, can’t find him. Oversoul Seven comes to the rescue and levitates Joseph’s body down the hill a mile or two to a place where he will be saved.
[This is a fictional example, but if explored in Framework 1 terms, would a bystander observe Joseph’s body floating down the hill, or would it instantly disappear and reappear in the new place? Just speculating, but my point is that Joseph, his outer ego, sure didn’t have ANY say in that creation of his reality, but his inner ego, Seven sure did. This “veto power of essence” shows that there is much more than outer ego at work in reality creation.
[Put another way, how many people, as outer egos, actively, consciously participate fully in their deaths? How many people know that they are about to die and willfully engage the actions necessary to create that? Not many in this period of history! Essence, more often than not, is directly involved in the time and place of each focus’s physical death.
[Another way to conceptualize this “veto power of essence” is the Christian parable of “Footsteps in the Sand.” A person who is looking back over their life asks God why he abandoned them during the worst moments of their life, the moments when there appeared to be only one set of footprints in the sand? God (guardian angel, essence, etc.) responds, “Those were the times that I carried you, so you were NEVER alone.”
This is similar to what Rose has been trying to point out recently, that there is much more than outer ego involved in reality creation. The down side is that poor old outer ego begins to deflate, after all, didn’t Seth, Elias, Kris, etc. all tell us that we are gods-in-training, learning to co-create within All-That-Is? Well of course, but it’s not the outer ego that is in 100% control, and that’s a tough pill to swallow if you’ve used the material to create beliefs in the permanence and god-like powers of the outer ego. This is not the case; that is an egocentric perspective at best and narcissism at worst.
The good news, however, is that outer ego is of critical importance in the overall structure of All-That-Is. I used the example of Elias’ primary and observing essences. The former is the directing essence of every focus, the later simply merges and witnesses, sharing experiences. In other words, essence is so desirous of physical experience it will merge, observe, and hitch a ride with an outer ego. So both structures are highly desirable!
Rose agreed with this and mentioned that we should hold a deep appreciation for ourselves as physical and spiritual beings. All these structures work together to create 100% of our reality, and this is why she’s going in this direction.
Rose also mentioned trans-ascendance and trans-descendance – the two main “currents” in reality creation. The former is a more masculine energy (Yang/Eros) that attempts to transcend the physical (this is where various anti-ego stances come from, the attempt to make all movement towards The One primary). The latter is a more feminine energy (Yin/Agape) that attempts to descend or birth as much of inner ego as possible into physical constructions (this is where various “pagan immersion” stances come from, the attempt to make movement to The Many primary). Rose said they work in harmony, but can be out of balance when one is emphasized over the other.
This led me to bring up Eckhart Tolle’s work (Power of the Now, and A New Earth) and his virulent, anti-outer ego stance. For instance, he equates ALL outer ego with pathology, and in my view that’s an extreme produced by “sinful self” beliefs found in traditional religious teachings that have influenced the interpretations of his powerful altered states of Oneness. As such, the outer ego is considered inferior and something to annihilate, destroy, and get away from as soon as possible. But the confusion lies in misunderstanding how stages of development work in terms of outer ego’s widening. There will always be some kind of egoic structure present, it’s more a question of how wide it becomes, how many perspectives it can hold, and how it can learn to work to the benefit of all others.
Therefore, outer ego is really, really important and will never go away. Still, to Eckhart’s credit, he’s pointing toward an outer egoic structure that is more aware, more alive, more present, more understanding of its relationship to others and The One. So there are some very beautiful and useful parts of his teachings.
We broke at 5:35 PM. and said goodbye to Eric and Frieda in Pennsylvania who were helping us test the new conference phone. We then had a dinner of stuffed grape leaves, couscous salad, nachos and red/green salsa, shrimp with pineapple and cocktails sauces, and cashew cookies, cherry coffee cake for dessert. All were washed down with the usual assortment of wines, beers, and iced-tea!
We reconvened at 6:04 PM. and Rose queried the group, “As ego selves what is your view of essence?” Mike mentioned that he wanted to trans-descend as much as possible in this lifetime. Rose went into a riff on the concept of wrath that I didn’t totally understand, but it had to do with understanding the outer ego’s role within the larger structure of All-That-Is in a bountiful, plentiful way. Rose told us to “imagine your ego in wrathful bliss with essence.” Rose then reinforced once again the importance of balancing both energetic currents.
I brought up the notion of surrendering, as outer ego, to that which is greater than my ego. Rose mentioned that this action emphasizes our feminine aspects, which I had never realized before but was obvious once she pointed it out! On the other hand, the act of surrender is something men in our culture are taught to do only as a last resort. I jokingly thought of the movie “Galaxy Quest,” where their motto was “Never Give Up, Never Surrender!”
Bob mentioned that doing the opposite of where our ego is headed can result in solving problems, to which Rose agreed and replied, “Get the hell out of your own way and allow great things to happen!”
[In all cases, it’s really a balancing act between these ascending (masculine) and descending (feminine) energies, and the ego (objective) and essence (subjective) aspects of our being.]
Tom asked a question about ego in relation to all our focuses from the essence perspective and Rose introduced the concept of superego (which is different from Freud’s id, ego, superego) to attempt to connect the dots.
I asked a question about the four basic structures that Rose discussed in this session – outer ego, inner ego, superego, and the contrary self – and attempted to get some clarity on how they all function. I’ll have to wait for the transcript to get a better sense since so much of this is new material.
We ended at 7:39 PM. and said goodbye to Will who made it through the whole three hours on the phone from San Jose (thanks Will!). George presented Joanne with a lovely Thank-you drawing his daughter Sarah made for the surprise strawberry chocolate pie Joanne made for her 12th birthday the previous session. We broke off into groups and chatted away until 10 PM. when Jo and I turned into pumpkins.
Also, we would like to remind everyone that there is a free MP3 Podcast of an excerpt from every group session that is published every Monday (or thereabouts). Here's a link to this week's Podcast: On the Nature of Rose.
Finally, we are in the midst of transcribing and publishing all the group sessions, so be sure to check the essence-of-rose.com website for all those goodies. We welcome your feedback if you find any mistakes in the transcripts or if you participated and wish to include an endnote to clarify something you said, etc. Thanks!
July 05, 2008, 4:36 PM.
Castaic, California
Participants: Joanne, Paul, George, Sarah, Mike, Joyce, Ursula, Rumi the cat, and Eric (in Pennsylvania by phone).
This week it was only 100 degrees by session time 
, so we were delighted that our new air-conditioning system kept us cool! What was also cool, but in a different sense, was that our postman delivered a registered package earlier in the day from Kriston Laszlo in Budapest, Hungary. It contained two copies of Elixir magazine from last October and November. Inside were articles on the nine “families of consciousness” introduced by Seth, and greatly developed by Elias and now Rose. I was delighted to see them, even though I couldn’t read a word!
Kriston contacted me by email over a year ago and was very interested in metaphysics – particularly the notion of “families of consciousness.” I pointed him to various resources in the NewWorldView Library and Elias forum, and he asked many questions about the usefulness of the “families” concept. He was researching his articles, and they were accepted for publication in Elixir. Great job Kriston!
The three page article in the October issue was an introduction. The November issue had two side panels on the Milumet, so he is elaborating on each family one at a time. I mention this because it was the first time this very important concept, originally published in 1979 in The “Unknown” Reality, Vol. 2 by Jane Roberts, has gotten some international exposure. Though it’s almost thirty years old, it’s hardly well known in New Age, New Thought, or Integral circles, much less the mainstream in the West.
Moreover, it mirrors a recent trend in books, workshops, and programs based on “a purpose driven life.” For instance, the best-selling books by Dan Millman (The Life You Were Born to Live/1993), Rick Warren (The Purpose Driven Life/2002), Eckhart Tolle (A New Earth: Awakening to Your Life’s Purpose/2005), Jim White (What’s My Purpose?/2007), and many more in the self-help field. In this larger context, then, the “families’ metaphor” provides an imaginative way to explore purpose from the conscious creation perspective.
Now we all know there’s a shift – an unsurpassed acceleration of change, consciousness evolution, and widening awareness – in this new millennium. What is clearer to me is that Seth’s nine families provide a way to tell the story about our purpose in life, our raison d’etre, in a new way – one that brings Causal Consciousness back into purview. It incorporates many more elements than what sells in the self-help marketplace, and I’ve written extensively about that elsewhere. In that sense, they are like the amps in Spinal Tap that go up to eleven, they are obviously one better than all the rest! 
But seriously, the bottom line is that when we follow our intent, we know our purpose, and that leads to a deep and meaningful life. This is opposed to the current mainstream modern worldview that says our universe was born in a Big Bang by accident, and therefore there is no purpose, no intent, no other meaning in life other than to fight the battle of the survival of the most adaptable species. The fact that cosmic dust clouds would end up writing symphonies is merely a random, chance, and utterly meaningless event. Enjoy it while it lasts, then you die, and it’s all over. So you might as well get as much as you can while you’re living because that’s your only shot.
Those beliefs result in the cynical, egocentric worldview that has led to many of the current social, political, economic, and spiritual issues we now face.
Now it’s no accident that Rose began our group session this past Saturday with a riff on discovering personal intent, and learning how to deeply connect with our purpose for being. She’s been using the nine families for months as a means to connect with essence (through our “belonging to”) and our selves (through our “aligning with”) to better understand why we chose to be born in this time, and truly “follow our way of spirit.”
Therefore, Rose equates our “way of spirit” with following our innate intent as expressed in the nine families’ metaphor. This is a key part of the foundation she has been laying for months and continues to build upon. The core idea is that when we “live a purpose driven life” we are better able to develop our abilities to their greatest potentials. While it’s always a choice to live whatever way we please, simply put: understanding our intent is foundational to learning to directly connect with essence, follow our bliss, and make the physical world a better place.
Next Rose queried the group to see if they did their homework. Did anyone do the “Discover your intent name” exercise? I laughed out loud because the participants didn’t know they had been assigned any homework! But it was just Rose’s way of getting peoples’ attention. Then she suggested that people check out the new practice on the website, and proceeded to go around the room one by one and make suggestions. It was an informative process, because it showed that getting a really apt “intent name” takes time and persistent self-reflection.
As such, the actual name will change as we get deeper and more closely in tune with our intent. For example, Eric was playing with the name “The Doer,” and Rose gently guided him to be more specific about what he would actually do. What would he actually choose and do? Would it be healing, based on his Tumold alignment, or teaching based on his Sumafi belonging to? Or some variation of both? And then, what name or description would most aptly fit those choices and actions?
We next took a short dinner break at 5:28 PM. as we had been snacking before and during the session. We ate pita bread and different kinds of hummus, smoked salmon with cream cheese on fresh bread, and a quinoa veggie dish. Dessert consisted of a chocolate strawberry pie in honor of Sarah’s 12th birthday, and cheese-filled crumb coffee cake. We washed it all down with the usual assortment of wines, beers, and iced tea.
(I will also note that during the first half Rose used several of her new words, and we now have The Rose Glossary on the website so folks can better understand how she’s using them.)
We resumed around 6 PM. and Rose spoke for roughly another hour and ten minutes. She opened with another riff based on intent in which she challenged us to “tell the world what you’re here to do.” In other words, how we can best express our life’s intent, change ourselves, and in the process change the world for the better?
(Rose makes no qualms about there being “better or worse” in our physical world. She acknowledges that at the essence “layers” there is no good or evil, better or worse, just endless creativity, choice, and becoming. However, in very real terms, in our physical belief systems we very much hold beliefs about better and worse, and the sooner we understand what our preferences and opinions are, the sooner we will act in accord with our deepest intent.
(I was reminded of Elias saying repeatedly that the belief system of duplicity, which is one of the ten main belief systems, is not going away ever. In other words, we will always be dealing with belief and value systems permeated by better/worse dualities. So while our values of good and bad, right and wrong are indeed relative to our expressions in the physical world, they still ARE quite real. To deny them or to suggest there is no better or worse in absolute terms is itself an absolute! This is called the performative contradiction, a fancy word for hypocritical arguments that violate their own logic. So Rose is teaching us to discern what our purpose is, and what belief systems will help us live our most fulfilling lives – our way of spirit.)
Next, George asked a question about an interaction with a hawk fledgling where he rescued the floundering bird, and in the process had a profound sense of unity with the creature. Rose acknowledged that he had engaged an exchange with the hawk, and in a sense, saw himself through the hawk’s eyes with a love and compassion similar to how essence views us as physical expressions.
I asked if this was a “gift of Rose” in the way that Elias uses it, and Rose suggested that there was no extra manipulation on her part, and yet she does maintain an “energy fleck” in all birds that have ever been or ever will be.
George went on to talk about ”accidentally” running over a squirrel and earlier an rabbit, and Rose pointed out that when our hearts break over such events that’s when “you realize you are more than you currently understand.” That is, we begin to realize that the other is us, and we begin to empathically connect with other living things as us, as aspects of All-That-Is.
Rose said that we are gods-in-training, and that “God is love” in the sense that there is a profound fealing tone that permeates All-That-Is, and learning to identify that within ourselves leads us to be more compassionate, loving, and caring to our self, and then others.
Rose acknowledged our heart aches as well as our laughter. Both are important expressions in the physical world, and not something to be repressed. Also, there’s no need to fear that we make the animals suffer during these kinds of “accidents,” as both creature and person participate in agreement to the experience. In George’s case, the animals didn’t suffer and they passed into a nonphysical state different than what humans experience, because there is no need for an “action of transition” (that Seth and Elias have talked extensively about).
Animals are indeed “actors in our show” in supporting roles. They don’t co-create in the way that people and essence do, but are still “of essence.” This led me to ask about the differences between animals and focuses of essence. In the process I realized that while essence does indeed create the entire biosphere of life forms on our planet, including animals, those lifeforms are not as directly connected to essence that same way that humans are.
(Another way I understand this is that both animals, humans, bacteria, hydrogen molecules, and quantum fields are ALL “of Consciousness,” and as such it’s a reminder that even essence is not the ultimate expression of All-That-Is, that simple always already Consciousness is the common element. Seth used the CU or “consciousness unit” metaphor to express the same thing. Elias calls them links of consciousness, and Kris uses CUs. Rose hasn’t really gone into this area, only because no one has asked yet.
(To return to the ontological differences between humans as focuses of essence, and animals as having a different relationship, in the end they are all united within Consciousness as All-That-Is.)
Rose challenged us to “fearlessly” intuit (i.e., conceptualize) the answer to this riddle, and not get too hung up on the maps and metaphors we use to ballpark and try to explain things.
The session ended around 7:08 PM. and we said our “goodbyes” to Eric who was on a conference line from Pennsylvania helping us test out a phone connection for future group sessions. Thanks Eric!
We broke up into small groups as usual and continued talking about the session and related ideas. We even got a short game of Balderdash in before the last folks left just before 10 PM.
Finally, a reminder to all that we publish a free MP3 audio podcast on the Monday after each session, and you can find them on the Podcasts page on the Essence of Rose website. Here's a link to this week's Podcast: Rose, George, and the Fledgling Hawk. Enjoy!
Some of you will remember that Joanne and I kicked off our Dinner and A Dead Guy series in July, 2004 to help Serge, Mark, and Kris develop The Kris Chronicles website and what would turn into The International Sessions a year or so later. When I look back over the last four years, I can only think, “My we’ve all come a long way, baby!”
I really enjoyed that period of helping The Kris Chronicles to test its wings and begin to soar. We learned about the nine sisters, clans and clusters of consciousness, quadrants of consciousness, idea atmospheres, idea threads, soundlets, nodi, and much more. During this time, I began to write up a summary of the core concepts Kris introduced, while also providing some links to Seth, Elias, and Wilber’s integral ideas to show the connections between them all.
I managed to publish 47 reviews during a period that ended in January, 2007.[1] However, I was knee deep in my Integral Certificate program, so I wasn’t able to keep up on that front. Thankfully, John “Your Faithful Reporter” Hawkins took over and has done a wonderful job continuing to provide written summaries that we all find helpful!
In April, 2007 Rose introduced herself to Joanne on our Ouija Board, and changed our lives dramatically. We began to concentrate on what we now call The Teachings of Rose, and strapped ourselves in for yet another roller coaster ride.
In November, 2007 after Joanne’s Crone Ceremony we held our first official Rose group session in Chatsworth, California. Joanne enjoyed it so much that we decided to hold group sessions as soon as we could, but realized that we first had to organize the growing body of written, audio, and video material from our regular Rose sessions.
By February, 2008 we were able to hold our first Rose Potluck Dinner. We thought about calling it Dinner & A Dead Gal, but it didn’t feel right, and we wanted to honor our time spent with Serge, Mark, Kris, Ellen, and the many others who attended The International Kris Sessions.
So we left that title alone.
The Potluck Dinners were born out of the core elements of D&DG, namely sharing our home and hearth with our friends. The D&DG logo Joanne created said, “Eat, Drink, Think.” That kind of sums it all up, don’t you think? Sharing food and drink along with exploring conscious creation ideas is as good as it gets!
Joanne had explored her Seasons of the Soul book (still unpublished) during this period, so she always cooked up a feast. However, channeling Rose didn’t allow for her provide all the food, so the potluck idea seemed like a natural fit. Joanne and Gail Becker, two “Borledim queens,” always contribute a tasty dish, and folks magically bring an array of complementary dishes, deserts, and drinks to satisfy all. Now that the Rose website is up and running, I can continue to report on our sessions.
We’ve held seven Potluck Dinners to date, and Rose has talked between 1:15 and 2:30! So we’ve had several marathon sessions, but they all contribute to the growing conceptual foundation available on the website. The first two (Feb. and Mar.) have already been transcribed and published. We also publish a pithy Podcast excerpt the following Monday, so you can stay up to date. Eventually, all these group sessions will be made freely available on the website.
Session 260, June 21, 2008
Saturday was hot, hot, hot – the fifth day of 110+ degree heat, and our central air-conditioning unit began to give up its ghost! We thought briefly about canceling the session, but decided that it was just barely cool enough to proceed. Our neighbor, Gordon, brought over a fan, so we had three fans going in the living room when the session began around 4:45 PM. Ten folks and Rumi the Cat attended: Jo, Paul, Gail, Drew, Gordon, Caryn, George, Sarah, Shireen, and Boris.
Rose began with a riff on “the way of spirit” which is one of her central emerging themes. Essentially, when we are truly in tune with our intent and purpose in life, we find our way of spirit, which includes the very best expressions of our potentials, happiness, and fulfillment. The specifics don’t matter as they will be tailored to each of us, and we will each be different. But once we truly find our personal way of spirit, our lives blossom accordingly.
Next, Rose opened the floor to questions, and I asked a question about Rob Butts who had passed away on Memorial Day. I had wanted to ask it at the end of our last session, but since folks were really engaged on other topics I decided to wait. I’m glad I did, as Rose spoke for a half an hour about Rob, and as you’ll see, we had a couple guest appearances. (You can listen to the entire segment on the Podcasts page.)
There were five main things that stood out for me. First, Rob was instrumental in so many ways in getting the Seth books out that he could be considered a co-author (that’s my take, Rose didn’t say that literally). Also, Rob and Jane were pioneers, paving the way for the work many of us are involved in today with Elias, Kris, Rose, and many others.
Second, Rose allowed both Joseph (Rob’s entity) and Rob speak through Joanne. Now, we had previously witnessed evidence of mediumship with the Rose phenomenon in private sessions, so I mention this to new folks in the group, because we never know what Rose will say during a session. But this was the first time that JoRose allowed another essence tone through in a group setting.
I asked Rose about how this works, and she said that she serves as a kind of “traffic cop” or meditating force so that Joanne doesn’t get overwhelmed with various energies that seek to speak through her. And Joanne is happy to do so, as long as it is in helpfulness to others.
So Rose let the Joseph Aspect came through first, and he spoke from a much wider perspective about Rob, his life, and impact on the rest of us. For example, he mentioned that Rob was an excellent dreamer, and had used those skills to develop his painting abilities. It was very beautiful and moving.
Then Rob came through briefly and spoke about his feelings about the Seth phenomenon. I had a strong sense of the energetic shift from Rose to Joseph, and the shift to Rob was more subtle. But I kept visualizing him sitting right there on the couch between Joanne and Gail, in terms of his self-portrait that kept popping into my mind’s eye.
Keep in mind that Joanne doesn’t perform a Kevin Ryerson-type action, where she engages different voices and personalities. Her voice remains mostly the same, and Joanne is present to some degree, but there is a discernable change in fealing tone, and perspective shifts from we/us to I.
Third, during the previous delivery, I noticed a single tear fall from Jo’s left eye, and I wanted to know if that was Joanne, Rose, Joseph, or Rob’s tear? I suspected that it was Jo’s, and Rose confirmed it. She said that since they share Ilda intent (according to Elias, Joanne “belongs to” Ilda, and Rob aligned with Ilda), Jo had a great affinity for “Robert” as a friend and role model.
Fourth, I asked Rose about Rob’s entity name of Joseph and Serge Grandbois’, who channels Kris, essence name of Joseph. Were they the same essence tone? Rose confirmed that they were indeed two “very different” groups of essence tone (Kris is on the record saying the same thing).
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