Author:  Paul M. Helfrich

posted 06-07-2005 05:43 PM            

Hi All,

We held our latest Dinner & a Dead Guy session last night and had a large turnout. Eleven folks attended on the Castaic side, Paul & Jo, Paul T., Elena & Art, Jene, Sarah, Vikki, Ester, Drew, and Dr. Jim. Norm and Reta Farb participated from Independence, Oregon and Mark & Serge were by themselves in a sweltering Toronto.

Jo explored an Eastern European theme for dinner, and we had a beef goulash, vegetarian cabbage rolls, pierogies, assorted condiments, and a delicious sour-cream cinnamon chocolate chip coffee cake with various teas and coffee for dessert. As usual, it was scrumptious.

The Farb's began the conference call a little after 4:30, and we talk for a few minutes, and then call Toronto via three-way. Kris joined us around 5 PM.

He opened with the continuing themes of "idea atmospheres" and "idea complexes." But first he went into the nature of the outer ego, and likened it to a "traffic cop" who manages various intersections and flows of energetic exchange, translation, and creation. Kris also invoked the analogy of a "bouncer" in terms of the ego's managerial skills in what is allowed "in the door" of awareness in any given moment.

The ego is very important because it creates a cohesiveness and focus within the larger multidimensional personality.

He then veered into the quest for widening awareness, and the need for unimpeded functions, all in the service of a rediscovery of who and what we really are: Self.

The ego as we presently know it en masse, creates a sequence and flow within waking experience, but other sequences and flows are neurologically available (I was reminded of Jane Roberts' reports of taping into other sequences, some faster, some slower, some just out of range, etc. in her Aspect Psychology books).

The flow of "idea complexes", how events are sequenced may not be time-dependent. Kris used the example of getting the idea to purchase a car of all the related ideas, its color, shape, gas mileage, cost, manufacturing cycle all the way to advent of the Iron Age and "discovery" of steel all exist in a related complex of ideas. Exploring these relationships is the key, because they point to many interdependencies and probable directions the species has taken over the millennia.

These "ideas complexes" consist of a lattice of "chambers" that are causal somehow. That is, idea complexes show how the inner self, subconscious, and outer ego all work together to transform energy into physical constructions and the perception and manipulation of such.

What lies ahead then, in terms of current idea complexes playing out in this Now? Kris cited potentials for new discoveries, such as carbon-steel hybrids 100 times stronger than current metals. These lie latent within current idea complexes.

"Idea complexes" are subsets of "idea atmospheres." So there are multidimensional relationships between these within the inner selves that co-create. I believe they are holonic in nature and we can trace their potentials for emergence through better understanding various holonic relationships. These concepts lend themselves towards a new kind of systems or complexity theory that show how outer and inner structure cooperate in all conscious creation.

Once we learn to better tap into these idea complexes and atmospheres, new art, science, politics, spirituality, etc. may emerge. The alternative may be a regression into more fundamentalist, conservative, restricted probable futures, and I'm not interested in actualizing those!

Kris cited the simple exercise of Witnessing the emergence of any idea, following it, and tracing its disappearance from egoic awareness. Where do they go? They still exist in some form, and may be retrieved, or revisited. But learning to trace the cycle of idea emergence in our awareness will allow us to better sense and work with various layers and lattices of related ideas within current idea complexes and atmospheres.

We had our first break after about an hour, so Kris' energy and focus was very strong, as was most of the group's. Norm had a bunch of questions, as usual and is continuing to develop his own ideas and potential experiments in relationship to the material given in the past two months.

Kris came back in, and went on to mention that another direction is learning to explore the surface and veneers of reality to detect the momentum within an idea complex to discern additional emergent potentials.

Kris also cited the need for dream work and learning to work with them in similar fashion, as they are yet another related series within current idea complexes. Ester asked about imagination in relation to exploring idea complexes and Kris elaborated on the importance of imaginative capacities to discern and work with idea complexes. I made the connection to Elias' avenues of communication, which show very clearly HOW the inner self (subjective awareness) is related to the outer ego (objective awareness).

Kris also talked about "psychological torque" or "differential thrust" in terms of how subjective awareness consciously creates in sync with objective awareness.

At the end Sarah asked a personal question about a difficult relationship issue, and Kris counseled her with a very sincere and compassionate response tailored to her, but also everyone participating (since we could all relate to Sarah's experiences). That closed the session on a very caring, tender, and practical note.

We gabbed for a short while and then said our "goodbyes" and devoured Jo's delicious dishes.

Jim, Drew, and Ester stayed until just before 11PM. We had a great discussion about a ton of related ideas in recent Elias sessions, Seth, of course, Kris, and Wilber. I cleaned up and went to bed feeling really great.

Paul

Author:  Paul M. Helfrich

posted 06-21-2005 11:08 AM            

Hi All,

We held our twenty-first Dinner and a Dead Guy last evening. We had our smallest Castaic group to date, as only Ester made it. In Oregon, we had our first guest with the Farbs, Janie Martin. And Myrna and John attended on the Toronto side. So we had ten folks, and over all, that's a good sized group.

It was Summer Solstice Eve, the sun was still high in the California sky. It was in the 80s and hot in our living room. Kris opened by commenting on our pre-session conversation (the Farbs call us first, then we call Toronto and a three-way is born), and that he would comment later. He wanted to open by acknowledging the importance of the Solstice in ancient cultures, many of which we have no written records of, and how wonderful this ancient heritage was.

He mentioned that he would give us a little "history lesson" as he, from his perspective, is capable. He began to wax poetic in a tone that would color the entire session, putting us into a right-brain kind of trance state, in which story-telling was the main mode.

He talked about migrations, searching for food, and warfare -- all the forces that affect life conditions for the ancients. He mentioned that mitochondrial DNA could be traceable to a "strip of land" in the Ural mountains (Turkey region) that connected various ancient peoples, tribes in the Turkey, Iran, Iraq area (and I was reminded of our so-called "War on Terror" who's jihadist enemies are is now concentrated in Iraq, tribal/global warfare once again!) that was connected to the Altai and Uru peoples (Kris claims that the Uru were active some 300,000,000 years ago, making homo-whatevers way older than the current known fossil record to date. Were these Cro-Magnon or Neanderthals? Or were they homo sapiens?)

Many of the premoderns had Solstice celebrations because they had some form of astronomy and astrology. These cultures thrived for millions of years!

The aboriginal "dreamtime" was a portal into collective human memories, if used properly. (This is also related to what Kris calls Dream Ancestors, and Seth calls sleepwalkers, and Elias calls Dream Walkers, progenitor essences intimately involved in the creation of our universe).

The ancients were intimately connected to the natural world, they greeted sunrise and moon(s)rise as the "eyes" of deities they worshipped. Memories of these times and focuses are accessible in dream state where we can learn to access the echoes of songs, joys, celebrations, etc. that accompanied each Solstice.

Kris is talking about hundreds of millions of focuses, human beings (which sounds like homo sapiens to me, but you never know...). We can learn to open our mind's eye (think inner senses and altered focus) as easily as looking at a painting and reach for memories from "long ago." (He's doing a guided meditation at this point, as we're all in a very relaxed state, listening to his poetic story-telling). Look at your hands, what kind of musical instruments do you see? Gourds, bowls, sticks, bones, stones.... hundreds of people are gathering in anticipation of a "Feast of the Sun".

These people had deep connections with the soil, trees, and animals, seeds, valleys, mountains, clouds....

Then, Kris performed a unique chant, attempting to capture ancient echoes of their ceremonies, a song praising the sun, and love of the people, and the fruits of the Earth and their loins....

We had a break after about 40 minutes.

Kris came back and continued the poetic waxing for another 13 minutes, then a break.

At this point, he came back to our opening conversation about idea atmospheres, when John had talked about how to identify the area in a home where idea complexes are constructed. I mentioned Seth's coordinate points. So Kris riffed off of these ideas. He mentioned that there was a potential mathematics that could describe the "ionic tension" of the idea atmospheres within our home structures, "entry points" that exert a discernable tension.

With training it's possible to identify them, enter them, alter their 'frequency" for more beneficial results (i.e. deeper translations into physical idea constructions).

Thousands of concepts flow from idea atmospheres, but we usually only detect (accurately translate) a few.

I mentioned Seth's three kinds, absolute, main, and relative (actually the third one is called subordinate) from Seth Speaks, and Kris mentioned there were absolute idea atmospheres that affect the current species (though he used the word race), and "lessor" atmospheres that affect certain regions of the planet (I mentioned Jerusalem as the seed of three world religious movements), and some relate to homes and individual people.

This roughly maps to Seth's coordinate points.

Kris went on to mention that there are "infant" idea atmospheres vying to manifest in this Now (and one can only imagine the many incipient and embryonic "evolutionary" forces in play across the planet. He did specifically mention the USA, though, so that's of interest, though he didn't elaborate).

These idea atmospheres form a VAST area of potential exploration mathematically and psychologically (seems apt for emergent dream-art sciences).

We are the cellular, bioenergetic forms that create idea complexes that draw from these idea atmospheres.

(All of this material is an attempt to outline the mechanics of conscious creation, the HOW. Seth's coordinate points relate as specific "points" that transform/translate Source into physical constructions. But Kris' idea atmospheres delve into memories and experience,. I brought up the subject of the so-called Akashic Records, and Jane Roberts's psychic library from Psychic Politics, where Jane accessed heroic personages and dimension, something that Kris continues to elaborate upon. Kris did mention that Jane accessed an idea atmosphere that was much vaster than a library, though that we her translation into physical waking imagery of this nonphysical source event. Though I didn't mention Source Event, THAT concept is clearly related to idea atmospheres also.)

Finally, after checking on coordinate points, I found the following quote from Seth that shows the deep relationship to what Kris is exploring and developing with this latest material:

"A true understanding of the way in which an idea becomes physical matter [i.e. the mechanics of conscious creation] would result in a complete revamping of your so-called modern technology [something that Kris has recently been exploring], and in buildings, roads, and other structures that would far outlast those you now have." Seth Speaks, p. 68.

Dream-art sciences ALL will trace their roots to the relative exploration and practical applications of that first sentence, "a true understanding of the way in which an idea becomes physical matter." And yet, as Seth points out, these coordinate points (Kris' "entry points") are neutral, and can enhance construction OR destructive elements (as witnessed by the "mess-o-potamia" now centered in.)

Kris gave some personal info for a friend of mine and then ended, and we discussed things a bit. Norm tried to get in a question, but Kris left, and then popped back in to address it, something to do with "electric monopoles" vs. "magnetic monopoles" in relation to these "entry points."

We ended around 6:55 PM.

Happy Solstice!

Paul

Author:  Paul M. Helfrich

posted 07-12-2005 11:29 AM            

Monday, July 11, 2005

We held our 22nd Dinner and a Dead Guy last night, and what a session! We had a great time with our friends and Kris.

Drew, Ester, Jene, Jo and myself, and Frieda (my mother) attended on the Castaic end, Norm and Reta were present in Independence, OR and it was just Serge and Mark in a very hot Toronto!

Kris opened with Idea Atmospheres and Norm went into a lengthy Q&A using them as a point of departure. Norm wandered into the nature of personal practice, seeking advice on developing meditative capacities. I mentioned that if you want to learn to play the piano, some are self-taught, but most find a teacher, take lessons, and practice.

Jene chimed in about projection states and coached Norm on how to "remember" out of body states from earlier days.

During the break, I talked about Integral Transformative Practice or ITP as invented by George Leonard and Mike Murphy of Esalen fame, and continued by Ken Wilber & Co. at Integral Institute (the call it Integral Life Practice), but they are current ways of a kind of cross-training for over all, body-mind-spiritual development. The basic idea is to exercise as many aspects of self, including body/mind/spirit within self/culture/nature. Start with 2-3 modules and develop your personal variation from there.

Practice makes perfect. A great mantra, if you get what you concentrate on is really true!

I also talked about STAGES of development in relation to STATES and pointed out Spiral Dynamics eight stages as an example of permanent centers of gravity during waking state. However, we also have access to dreaming and deep dreamless sleep every 24 hours. So over all, we're spiraling through permanent stages and states throughout our lifetimes.

Kris came back in and commented on stages of development, much to my surprise and delight, supporting them in physical only terms, but reinforcing that there is a linear aspect to our physical evolution. He pointed out that however we map stages of development, they are relevant only to our present era, which is defines as the third stage of the Vedic civilization whose origins are traceable back some 500-600 million years ago.

I've been updating my essay on Dreams, "Evolution," and Value Fulfillment by Seth/Jane Roberts and working on the first five chapters, so that material was fresh in my mind. Kris pointed out how, as essence, we create various civilizations and eras to "harvest experience", and I was reminded of all the work done in the subtle and causal domains "before the beginning" of any physical domain.

As the conversation turned to experiencing different worldviews, Kris took a minute and put Serge in a deeper trance to access yet another aspect. After a long silence, a new voice, speaking slowly and with less emotion came through. I was reminded of the Seth II and III aspects, so it was a real treat to experience this phenomenon! A name was later given by Kris of Eeja (E-ja) who is natively focused in "the far flung reaches of Quadrant 3." This is a "high causal" domain, formless, sentient, awareized ancient Consciousness, Kris later said It, not a he or she, It was "extremely ancient" in relation to himself!

The energy tone felt ancient, and opened by saying that it had been a long time since using vocal cords. There seemed to be an acclamation period, getting used to the language translation process. But, as Mark said later, Eeja was intent on communicating several ideas, among which was the endless potential for creativity and spoke of dimensions based on crystalline solar systems, cubic planets, triangular structures, all of which would result in physical forms way beyond our current experience.

This layer of Self is similar to Seth's sleepwalkers, Elias' Dream Walkers, and Kris' dream ancestors, but I didn't ask that question at the time.

It was a little hard to hear Eeja on our end and in Oregon.

We finished with some personal questions, got an essence name and six pack for my mother, and Jo asked some questions about her impressions and dreams.

We then feasted on mom's home made goulash, salad, bread, rice, and some kind of veggie dish whose name escapes me. We had coffee, tea, and lemon-poundcake for desert. A good time was had by all. I also have to report that the session lasted over two hours, a marathon, that covered a lot of ground. The transcript will be a long one and convey a lot of info!

Paul

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Author:  Paul M. Helfrich

posted 08-02-2005 02:22 PM            

Dinner and A Dead Guy #23 - August 01, 2005

We held our latest gabfest with friends in Castaic, CA, Toronto, and Independence, OR. Paul, Jo, Drew, Ester, Paul Tews, and Rumi the Siamese cat held down the grooves on the Castaic side. Norm, Reta, and Janey added some percussion in Independence, and Serge and Mark provided lead vocals on the Toronto side.

This was by far, our most passionate session to date. We began our pre-session chat on a variety of topics, and Jane mentioned something about Lazarus' concept of the negative ego, which Kris picked up on and opened with. He asked Jane to define it, and she said it was something like that part of ourselves that fools itself and fills itself with unrealistic dreams, or something like that.

Kris went on a bit about the nature of outer ego and belief systems. He sequed into notions of internal and external "forces" that fill present worldviews. This gets into things like "the devil made me do it" or outside forces causing negative experiences per the negative ego.

Kris finished the opening 20 minutes with a lovely riff on the creative power of the individual, which I felt at the essence layer because he talked about our ability to create suns, planets, eagles and other incredible things.

After break, Kris continued for about 15 minutes and then opened the floor to questions. Norm preambled a bit and then asked a general question with moral and ethical implications, seeking Kris' perspective on how to approach the complexity of current affairs.

Kris riffed a bit on the "sinful self" or flawed self nature of premodern Eastern and Western religions used to enforce a status quo that kept the collective from realizing its deeper potentials, but that, of course has been changing in modern worldviews, and postmodern worldviews. But beliefs in salvation, atonement, redemption and like that put heaven in the after life, and not achievable on earth.

He mentioned a variation of the golden rule, simply do unto others as you would have them do unto you. A simple but effective as a way to optimize social systems.

At one point Drew began a line of inquiry exploring the idea that Seth, Elias, and Kris all say there is no good or evil in any absolute sense, and yet some of us, myself included, seem to be making comments that judge or label as "bad" the actions of terrorists in London, an example I had used earlier.

Norm, Jane, Kris all made comments, and Drew continued for a good 25 minutes trying to get Kris to clarify his position, in the midst of various comments.

Things got heated to say the least!

The main point I made was that there's a type of extreme moral relativism, the kind that thinks its leveling the playing field, but is in reality using a stealth form of contradiction (pretzel logic) to impose its own hidden value hierarchy.

(The rest I wrote today, but it supports my main point during this heated debate.)

For instance, the logic goes something like this: I make a universal claim that there are no universals (in this case good or evil, and therefore right and wrong).

The contradiction is the hidden value hierarchy, that it's universal that there are no universals. The claim contradicts itself because it seeks to impose a universal claim that there are no universal claims.

So, while someone uses that claim to "prove" that the thugs who blew up the subways and bus in London are really no better or worse than the rest of us, they still have their own hidden hierarchy of what's universal (there are no universals).

It snarks right up its own ass into the kind of ethical oblivion that elevates criminal thugs to some kind of high spiritually informed change agent that has the greater good clearly in sights, when all that's in its sights are "fuck you, no one tells me what to do, and killing, scaring, and dominating you makes me feel powerful."

Those are the kind of values that need to be delegitimized, dismantled, and discredited, hopefully in such a way that no one gets hurt. Seth's "the ends don't justify the means" can be more or less maintained.

But the bottom line is to acknowledge the value hierarchies we're bringing to bear, get them out in the open and stop using stealth, contradiction, pretzel logic, political correctness to mask them. Situate them properly in a matrix of ALL the hierarchical claims, and then see which ones are allowing for actualization not domination.

Riane Eisler talked about dominator hierarchies in relation to actualization hierarchies in The Chalice and the Blade (1987). The former inhibits growth, personal freedom, creativity through threat of force, economic sanctions, excommunication, etc. The later promotes growth, and I believe value fulfillment, by letting people do their thing as long as a basic civil harmony is maintained.

So the game is not about marginalizing hierarchy through pretzel logic, but properly situating and acknowledging our own preferences of right and wrong, good and bad, healthy and pathological and how that relates to actualization and value fulfillment. And Seth's innate violation is in play all along because people are at different moral stages of development (acorn, sapling, tree), so there's no single universal right or wrong to be imposed, just what will maintain civil harmony to promote collective growth and value fulfillment as people live their lives through these stages.

Finally, extreme moral relativism is also used to justify the lack of condemnation for the kind of criminal thuggery seen in London's subways and buses. And so they don't have to take any responsibility and make a stand or judge someone as right or wrong, when they're doing it anyway. It's a form of nihilism, snarking right into the land where the sun don't shine and actually promoting the very thing they're seeking to avoid (dominator hierarchies love extreme moral relativism because it keeps them in business and people powerless to take a stand).

Needless to say we had quite a conversation after Kris left, this was another long session, Kris was around for almost two hours!

Jim Pickerell stopped by and caught the last ten minutes, and wondered why the vibe was so charged.

We had a delicious polenta casserole, apple sausages, and fresh baked cookies from the Oxnard Farmer's Market.

Drew, Ester, Jo, and I made it until 11 PM, and then we called it an evening.

This will be an interesting transcript!

Paul

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Author:  Paul M. Helfrich

posted 08-16-2005 11:44 AM            

Monday, August 15, 2005

We held D&DG #24 last evening. Our 16 year old niece Celia was visiting from the Philadelphia area and participated in her first channeling session along with a new friend Tom Caruso from Long Beach, along with regulars Jo and myself, Paul Tews, Ester Trevino, and Jene Fielder. On the Toronto side there was a nice group including Mark, Serge, Myrna, John, Franko, Eveline, and Alice. The Farbs were absent having celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary over the weekend, and were in the midst of a family talent show.

The pre-session conversation centered around curiosity about our previous D&DG session, what Mark has titled Rose Colored Glasses, and the passionate debate we had about morality, i.e., how do we deal with moral relativism? That led into Kris' appearance and he pointed out once again that we mustn't rely on just words and an intellectual understanding of the material, that we must open to our hearts, emotions, and feelings to help guide us through this postmodern maze of relativistic and pluralistic beliefs in right and wrong, good and bad, healthy and pathological, etc.

Kris also mentioned that is was indeed a passionate session and the energy was vibrant and expressive, and this is the kind of thing that makes us fully alive. It's less important that we agree on everything, or anyone emerge as a winner in these kinds of debates as it is to approach the debate with passion, fueled by the closeness of our intents. He used Michelangelo as an example of the kind of passionate personality who may have lived to extremes, but through it all managed to create his art with a passion that still communicates something very deep to us today.

Kris pointed out that his main purpose is to ignite our passions.

We had an early break after only about 13 minutes. It was dead quiet, and Jo broke the silence and mentioned her essay called Romance and Remembrance that she's been inspired to write after the previous D&DG session that deals with passion, love, romance within Seth, Elias, Kris and other sources. Myrna mentioned that she's gotten in touch with the need for fun and meaning in every day terms.

Kris came back in and reminded us that we must not use other's words (meaning Seth, Elias, Kris, etc.) to deny our passion and knowing.

Living passionately involves deeply understanding our innate intention (thinking of essence families) and this helps us to reach beyond our limitations and grow and fulfill our selves as individuals.

(I was reminded of a recent book by Frank Visser on Ken Wilber's work title Thought as Passion, and it mentions how Wilber's philosophy is driven by the passion to know and be and remember who and what we really are.)

Kris used a vine analogy to show how each individual's passion and fulfillment leads to collective growth. He then went into an analogy showing how we're all connected to All-That-Is, that star dust and the ashes of the sun form our food chain that in turn forms our bodies, and these nested awarenesses all speak to us of ancient oceans and lakes and other parts of the planet that they've been part of. Every atom in our body has a history and "remembers" its own ancient heritage, and together this forms, influences, and colors our reality.

He then mentioned that he had 16,318 probable realities in which he spoke through Joseph (Serge's essence) and other essences, and he mentioned a Bengali saying that means "Tat Tvam Asi," we are simultaneously One and Many, therefore "thou are that." This is an ancient expression of nondual awareness.

After another short break, John asked about the 16,318 probabilities that we were all curious about. He asked if they were all in the TAAJ cluster (the one with our familiar nine families) or not, and Kris responded, "Not." I asked if they were spread over time that includes our past, present, and future, and he said yes, some are very ancient and very distant future. Mark asked if there were some in which the roles were reversed and Kris had focuses which listened to another one of our essences channel, and he said, "Yes."

Kris also mentioned that the channeling phenomenon was "hardwired" or involved into the "blueprints for reality" that co-create our physical reality. So this is a major source of "remembrance" in objective terms, because I mentioned that these kinds of communications were ongoing in constant fashion subjectively. But I was struck that we, as essence, designed as sort of safe-guard into the system to allow deeper truths to get expressed through the channeling phenomenon.

We asked some questions about the early biblical prophets, and on and on.

Kris wrapped up with a lovely musical analogy for each of us to realize our passions and play our own song with gusto and feeling.

The session ended around 6:12 PM PST.

We talked a little with the group, and then thanked our hosts and had dinner. Jo had used a Mediterranean theme for her food selections. Hor d'oeuvres included Baba Ganoush, Unie Kaas Roomkaas cheese, kiwi slices and crackers, and pita chips with dip. Dinner included shish kabobs of beef, chicken, tempeh, onions, mushrooms, and zucchini. Desert included coffee, tea, and Jewish Apple Cake.

We finished off the evening with a game of Balderdash until Aunt Joanne went to bed, and Celia and I went out on the deck and star gazed at the Perseid meteor shower until midnight.

Paul

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Author:  Paul M. Helfrich

posted 08-30-2005 08:13 AM            

Monday, August 29, 2005

Last evening we held D&DG #25. It was a late summer small group, in Castaic, Jo, mySelf, Paul T., Ester, and Rumi the Siamese, in Independence Norm & Reta, and Jane, and in Toronto, Mark, Serge, and Sarah.

The session started a little late, due to traffic in LA, around 5:15 PM. Kris began by asking us if we were "strapped in for the ride", a classic Eliasian metaphor for dealing with the subtle currents of the shift. We breathed a collective sigh of relief when he didn't begin with a secrets session or some other direct challenge (thinking of various Elias sessions over the years).

Kris then acknowledge my work and issued a question: "Which "you" is the you in this moment?" (This is a reference to an Integral Conscious Creation essay I wrote two years ago called "Who is the 'You' in YCYOR?"

Rather than list the details, I'm just going to list the major touchstones Kris riffed on, they included:

- in order to grok the gory details, we need to develop a "higher intellect" (a nod to Seth's concept from The "Unknown" Reality)

- we need to learn to deal with the "shadow side" of the belief system of duplicity (admit we all wear rose colored glasses of some kind)

- most importantly, he went into stages of development, both physical AND psychological. (This is a ringing endorsement of much of Ken Wilber's integral approach, which is based upon decades of excellent research that lies at the heart of my Integral Conscious Creation work.)

- he tied these into psychological stages into moral and ethical "value convictions" (the same as Elias' belief system of duplicity, similar to what I've been riffing on in the Rose Colored Glasses Topic, namely, that they unfold in egocentric (me), ethnocentric (us), worldcentric (all of us), and consciousnesscentric (all beings) stages of development of increasing care, concern, and embrace, which is another way of showing HOW widening awareness unfolds in physical terms.)

- he then outlined his version of the Great Nest of Being or All-That-Is as: focus <==> essence <==> multiple-essence <==> multidimensional (Seth's pyramid gestalts), and though I didn't ask, I believe this ontology maps directly to his four quadrants:

(Q1) focus <==> (Q2) essence <==> (Q3) multiple-essence <==> (Q4) multidimensional (Brahmajyoti)

- there's a difference between intellectual and authentic perception. Intellectual is simply reading the words, and interpreting them literally (talking the talk), but authentic includes an emotional and experiential understanding and conceptualization (walking the talk)

- the method, for now, is Triple A = Acknowledge, Address, Accept (a variation of Elias' NIRAA). This practice will lead toward use of high intellect, or blending thinking AND feeling, reason AND deep intuition, intellect AND emotions. This cognitive capacity will allow us to grok, through direct experience, what Seth, Elias, and Kris have been talking about for over 40 years now.) This will lead to male and female mahatmas, or what Jo simply aspired to being, a ma-hot-ma .

- there are states and stages of differentiation and nondifferentiation. Just a mention.

- he also mentioned the import of connecting with "reincarnational selves" (Seth's term) as a means of enriching the experience of each focus

- he also tied in idea atmospheres and idea complexes, and showed that Aspect Psychology, as I've been calling it, is also an idea complex, "ideas about ourSelves", that basically what we call outer ego, in any stage, consists of aspects or ideas (we could also call these aspects "subpersonalities" managed by the ego. Elias uses the term alternate selves in the same way.)

- Finally, Kris closed with a riff on "the other is you" in relation to Hurricane Katrina and the severe trauma being experienced right now, but also tied in Darfur, other parts of Africa, and China, and really the whole world. But he reminded us to aspire to walk our talk, do the work, put in the time, energy, and practice and reap the rewards down the road.

(Kris' practice of perspectives - the other is you is another excellent method toward developing a worldcentric perspective. And THAT is one of his current transformative challenges to all of us.)

All told, this session validated much of my work over the summer on Integral Conscious Creation. As I told Ester later, Kris throws each of us a bone once or twice a year, not enough to give us a big head, but enough to let us know we're on the right track. And last night was, what I would call a ringing endorsement of my Integral Conscious Creation work (and also Ken Wilber's integral work).

Now I forgot to mention the most important part of the evening, Jo's cooking! She explored an African theme, and our coffee table was graced by a goddess figurine from Ghana. Appetizers were an Egyptian bean dip (very exotic tasting, to my tastes ), dinner was a West African Chicken and Peanut stew (spicy!) on white rice with plantains and coconut milk. Desert was an array of teas, and chocolate drizzled butter cookies and pecan sandies.

Ester stayed to 10 PM and we waxed philosophic about the session, and the fact that she had had private Kris and Elias sessions last week. So it's been an intense time for her to assimilate all this new information. But she's in good company, as are we all.

Strapped in for the ride, as always!

Paul

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Author:  Paul M. Helfrich

posted 09-13-2005 02:36 PM            

September 12, 2005

We held D&DG #26 last night. The Farbs were on vacation, and in Castaic there was Paul & Jo, Paul T., and Ester, and in Toronto Serge, Mark, Myrna, and John.

I had to take our Siamese kitty Rumi to the vet yesterday for surgery on an abscessed anal gland. The poor boy came home with a dozen stitches and a nasty looking wound. So I was distracted during the session to say the least as we walked in the door just as I heard Mark's voice citing the time check, which meant Kris was to follow.

Luckily, Kris opened the floor to questions and put the session in our hands. So I just tried to relax and get Rumi settled into his new collar so he couldn't "lick his wounds."

Anyway, Jo took over with Rumi and I heard Paul t. ask the first question about Hurricane Katrina and probabilities chosen and not chosen.

I missed a lot, so my notes are incomplete.

After the first break, I was more able to gather my wits and finally asked a question given to me by Daniel Breitstein months ago about Elias' orientations and the number 3 being the minimum for a cycle of manifestation.

Kris agreed that the number was three, but avoided answering the orientations. Perhaps these kinds of cross questions stir up larger probable idea atmospheres that need time to work through? At least he gave an answer that didn't directly contradict Elias in my view, but could actually work in concert with the orientations (as Kris talked about three genders OR racial perspectives OR family situations OR time periods). So they weren't mutually contradictory.

Mark also asked about the Eldoraa cluster and a clarification that this cluster varies its number of essence families by up to ten! So I realized that was over our collective heads for the moment and let it go for now. No doubt we'll revisit it when the time is right.

I'm still fascinated by Kris' clusters and how they expand my sense of the middle "I" or essence.

Paul

Author:  Paul M. Helfrich

posted 09-27-2005 12:35 PM            

September 26, 2005

We held Dinner and a Dead Guy #27 and had our smallest group to date for a variety of interesting reasons. Serge and Mark were present in Toronto, and Jo, Paul, and Ester (and a healed up Rumi kitty) were present in Castaic. Paul T. "forgot" and went golfing, and the Farbs were home, which we didn't find out until later, but we thought they were still on vacation.

Oh well!

Kris started with a simple question, "Assume the I was a complete stranger to human beliefs, how would you explain them to me?" We each gave a variation, Mark, Jo, and Ester used the words "true" or "truth" in theirs. I mumbled something about core values that act as filters in all our perception of projected and received energy.

Kris went on to define beliefs as a key translation mechanism between subjective and objective awareness, and that stoking new beliefs stokes transformation and growth. He reiterated that beliefs are key psychological structures for any focus of essence, and necessary for basic physical and mental health.

I couldn't help but hear Elias echo his idea that we're not eliminating beliefs, just learning to accept and neutralize, and grossly misunderstood that basic idea still is to mean that there should be no conflict, natural aggression, or disagreement, which in turn would mean no growth and development in physical and mental terms.

Kris expanded into "life-threads", which is related material from Spring and Summer of this year [2005] on "idea-atmospheres," "idea-complexes" and "idea-threads.". The basic idea, pun intended , is to "help you identify more of your own thought processes and how you process your thinking patterns."

So this is all about supporting the NIRAA and AAA practices, which in turn, all deal with working with core belief systems. Kris said back in June, 2005 "... by recognizing not only the flow of thoughts into your awareness but how you pattern your thinking, which also brings about specific sets of events and circumstances, you avail yourselves of an incredible tool of awareness. And you can, as well, recognize those thought patterns that obviously are linked to your beliefs and convictions.

"But the ability to recognize thought patterns enables you to become aware of thought patterns that are no longer of specific benefit to you, but that may still, like an old program, function in the background and still brings about its effects...."

This is similar to Elias' recognizing automatic responses, accepting and neutralizing beliefs, and widening awareness, and of course, Seth's identifying and changing limiting beliefs.

All three sources deal with introspection = noticing = mindfulness, that result in making the subconscious, automatic responses conscious, so that we can neutralize them and move on, and widen our awareness, transform, grow, and develop.

Idea-threads are also the same as Seth's bridge beliefs, beliefs that lead into other belief areas. Kris uses a threading metaphor to show how we weave together entire "idea-threads" that may no longer serve us, and actually hold us back, causing arrest and limiting further growth of our abilities.

Kris also ties value creation, a variation of Seth's value fulfillment, into this process of AAAing or working with various idea-threads that hold us back, or limit us in some way.

Regarding the noticing practice, "[Triple ‘A’] can assist and break and recognize the specific goal and it does not mean that after two weeks time you will be walking on water, unless it is very shallow. But it does mean that you may indeed begin, right now, to address inner dialogues and conflicts and conversations, recognizing thought processes, thought patterns and thought threads. And those threads lead perhaps to many roads. But they all lead to one destination, indeed the recognition that the self is not split, separated, in conflict. It is whole. And it is only because any number of you at any given time are only focused in small portions of yourselves."

So the life-thread concept kicks this up a notch to include the whole focus in relation to essence in relation to ALL focuses of essence, which he introduced another term essence tapestry to cover all life-threads of all focuses within an essence or essence "body".

So the ontology goes something like -- belief structures <==> life-threads <==> essence tapestry.

Yes, this was another BIG session in which Kris pushes into Quadrant 2, and even Q3 and Q4 a bit, to show how it's all interconnected, and nothing ultimately higher or lower, wider or narrower, but is a valid expression and manifestation within All-That-Is.

So "life-threads" are common themes between focuses of essence, another layer of connective tissue within Self or All-That-Is. And learning to work with life-threads opens the door to further explore the "unknown reality" of Self.

They are similar to what Elias calls chapter focuses and focus bleedthrough, too. But chapter focuses certainly come closest to showing a thread or connection between groupings of focuses. So this is an interesting development. No accidents....

Kris also mentioned that whenever we deny, suppress, repress, discount, marginalize, minimize, or subvert aspects of ourSelves it inevitably leads to dead end in terms of development and value creation. So it behooves us all to appreciate deeply our physical, mental, and spiritual natures and not deny the flesh and call that spiritual. No doubt, this is a BIG life-thread for many of us who have numerous focuses peppered throughout what Elias calls the Religious Era, the past ten thousand years, but my best estimates.

Working with life-threads requires developing our empathic inner and outer senses. And I was reminded of a dream I had with Jo Monday morning in which a policeman or gas company official was interacting with Jo and misinterpreted her natural vivaciousness as a come on, and referred to her as a "hooker," which really crossed my line in the dream. Anyway, upon awakening and reflecting I realized that this was a "bleedthrough" from Jo's courtesan focuses, and this was a good example of a life-thread bleeding through in dream state.

Learning to notice life-threads then scales up to the potential of working with essence tapestries as we expand in Quadrant 2 through the clusters of essence bodies.

Again, this is a BIG practice, and plays off of, and builds upon the foundational NIRAA or AAA practices.

Kris went even further, and added the concept of platform belief systems which involve the physical manifestation of energy via essence translation (doesn't everything? ). But he was pointing out an ontological area of essence volition from Quadrant 2 that is intimately involved in the construction of our core belief systems. And I did manage to mention Elias' ten core beliefs as forming the basis for all idea threads and life-threads.

Anyway, these platform belief systems are the same as Seth's blueprints for reality as mentioned in relation to Dream-Art Science in The "Unknown" Reality. I asked Kris if these were the same thing, and he said, "indeed."

He opened the floor to questions, and I asked about a lucid dream I had sparked after our last D&DG session when Paul Tews asked about a way to recapture specific altered states. And Kris said to try and recreate all the conditions that led to the experience. Which led me to investigate a string of projection experiments from 1998, which in turn, led to three Kundalini or projection dreams the following week, last week.

So, I mentioned that at one point, I became lucid while focusing intently on a TV screen. Once fully lucid, and at a 9 on my scale of 1-10, I projected into the TV set, used it as what Elias calls a dream trigger and experienced a sudden transition to formlessness. The transition was startlingly swift and really stretched my awareness, to the point that it felt like going through a worm hole, as depicted on various sci-fi shows. The state only lasted a short while. But Kris said that I "merged" though that wasn't quite the right word, with my essence and experienced the "near-formlessness" of essence.

He said it was an excellent translation or memory of the experience. He also threw me another bone (these are rare!) in which he offered me an aspect name of a subjective aspect of essence that assists me in these explorations. He spelled out the name: Dhong-jak-taa. (Sounds Klingon to me ) But seriously, he said that this aspect was analogous to what Tibetan Buddhists (another life-thread of mine) would consider as a "high lama." But I could use this aspect for further explorations.

I later made the connection that this is my dream helper or guide that I connected with 3-4 times in the past eight years. I have imaged him, as a he, and a black skinned and blonde-haired male. Interestingly, Dhong-jak-taa facilitated this lucid dream/projection experience but I have no recall of his presence.

So this was a gift from Kris for me to use further.

He also cautioned me, humorously, to be strapped in for the ride! And I have learned that lesson quite well from my other good friend, Elias.

Jo asked some questions about the nature of prenatal trauma, and I mentioned the work of Otto Rank and Stan Grof in this area, which led to an interesting exchange about the nature of subjective and emergent objective perception during prenatal, of what Kris called gestation, and neonatal experience. It's obviously a tough area to research because it's all done from an adult perspective, and memories are slippery and changeable.

Kris also was humorous during this exchange in that something like 99.98% of all focuses choose not to recall these experiences because the overall conditions are quite cramped by birthed standards. Also, he mentioned that EVERYTHING is recorded within essence, when the ovum and sperm merge, when heart and brain tissues first form. ALL of these early physical constructions are known within essence. So I raised the issue of abortion, not to get anything finite, but just to bring to bear some of the implication of what Kris talked about.

It's clear that there is no single moment when objective awareness, proto and pre-egoic awareness begins in the womb or after birth. There's a range based upon essence preference and life conditions. But the current scientific belief that fetuses feel no pain before 20 weeks is simply nonsense. It's all felt and experienced by essence, since it's a projection or translation or construction of essence in the physical field.

I think this material would have an impact on abortion law, and possibly Rowe vs. Wade, in terms of further nuances in what should and shouldn't be legislated in terms of abortion.

Finally, Jo asked about a dream in which she had a focus of Anastasia Romanoff, and asked whether it was a focus of hers. Kris added yet another concept he called focus models which felt similar to Elias' observing essences but I was too tired to pursue at that time. He said that multiple essence bodies create threads for multiple focuses, but it wasn't clear to me.

Needless to say, this was a BIG session that covered a lot of ground....

Paul

[ 09-27-2005: Message edited by: Paul M. Helfrich ]

Author:  Paul M. Helfrich

posted 10-18-2005 05:40 PM            

October 17, 2005

We held Dinner and a Dead Guy #28 and had another small group. Serge, Mark, Myrna, and John were present in Toronto, and Paul H., (Jo was in Orlando, FL on a last minute business trip leaving Paul to "cook" dinner), Paul T. and Jene F. were present in Castaic. Norm and Reta Farb, and Jane were present on the Oregon side.

Norm had purchased a new RCA 2500 speaker phone to try and improve sound quality on his end. He had been using a Radio Shack model earlier with medium results. I spoke with Norm and Reta for an hour earlier in the day using my Panasonic speaker-phone (the same model Serge and Mark use), and the audio was just fine, even as Norm walked around his room.

The session pre-talk began around 4:40 Pacific time, 7:40 Eastern time. Serge asked if anyone had anything particular to discuss with Kris, as he sometimes does. My initial reaction was the usual God, life, the universe, and everything, which is my way of saying I didn't have anything pressing. So Myrna lead the way by talking about moving from powerless to powerful and we had some discussion on that topic.

Gradually I chimed in about our session three weeks ago in which I asked Kris about a lucid dream and he offered an aspect of essence named Dhong-jak-TAAH who is a personalized guide energy for my subtle body explorations. I shared this also to fill in the Farbs who missed the session and hadn't had a chance to read the transcript.

This lead to Kris' entry.... he began with Myrna's topic and led a 20 minute riff on human struggles, and beliefs in lack, poverty, illness, and so on. He pointed out that essence and focus never lack anything and reinforced the notion that essence does not choose for the focus, though human life threads may appear as a lack of power, health, financial resources and the like. But prosperity, wellness, resources, freedom, abundance, and love are always available.

During our first break Norm said that they were having trouble understanding Kris, and I chimed in that there were some dropouts on our end, but we got the gist of this direction. Jene uses our second handset with an earpiece/mic plugged in, so she was getting good sound. Norm was frustrated because he had just purchased a new phone, and yet the audio from Toronto was muddy at times. Mark chimed in that they were on VOIP, or Internet phone because they had just moved and didn't get their new phone lines hooked up yet, so the phone was forwarding the land line to the VOIP line, so essentially the Toronto end was on IP or internet protocol and there were some dropouts.

Still, we got the gist, and Kris didn't open with anything new, just played off Myrna's comments to warm us up.

We decided to hang up, and reconnect our three-way chain, and did so. But the sound didn't get any better.

Paul Tews observed that Kris was not enunciating his words as clearly as usual during the opening. He seemed to be talking softly in my perception, so some words were muddied, but that is normal in this current format. I use fuzzy-logic based on hearing and reading the sessions to fill the gap, and was more or less, following.

So we began the second part, and the communications problems continued. Kris went into an "adventures in consciousness" angle and used the codex (an ancient manuscript), library, books, and chapter metaphor (similar to Elias' chapter focus) to help us connect with our vast, inner resources, and wealth. This is what he usually does to widen the outer egoic focus on little "I" toward the middle "I" or essence. I always enjoy the progression.

We had a second break, and discussed the communications issues. Jene pointed out to Norm that there had been early Elias sessions with energy interference, and I recalled that they were in the 170s from April/May, 1997 (and when I looked it up today, sure enough, it was session 175, May 17, 1997, right the midst of four genetics sessions that Norm and Reta had mostly participated in. In fact, the preceding session had been held at their old home in Orange County, California!) Also, the weather was charged in Castaic yesterday. We had an unusual thunder and lightning storm that had begun around 2 AM and was still continuing, on and off, during the session! So it added an element of energy interference imagery.

Then Myrna got into the self-reflective nature of the imagery and asked what it was we did or didn't want to hear, which fell on mostly deaf ears! So it was an unusual kind of group vibe, marked by frustration, and garbled communications.

Also, humorously, during the second break when Kris returned he mentioned that he had been trying to telepathically communicate with all of us but none of us was listening! I found that to be hilarious! His sense of humor undaunted, he continued.

Later on Kris mentioned that we are trying to rewire our brains to engage altered focus. He mentioned life threads and essence tapestries again, which are similar to Elias' chapter focus and observing essences.

Kris eventually asked me to share my comments about Dhong-jak-TAAH, and played of them to point out that we're seeking new tools of communication with essence aspects that have never existed before. He did a little history jog and mentioned how the printing press, that revolutionized Medieval Europe, was the Medieval equivalent of today's Internet and global satellite networks

He also mentioned soundlets in relationship to new means of inner and outer communications.

Kris also challenged each of us to listen to Mark's recording of the session and compare it to our perception through our phone lines. I should mention that I also tape record on a mini-recorder almost every session (have missed a couple though). So I listened to that today for starters and you can tell that Kris is almost shouting by the middle and end of the session, but his voice came through somewhat muted on the phone. On my tape, his voice is loud, almost distorting my tape. But there ARE dropouts where the signal seems to be interrupted at times. Other times there are simply words I cannot discern through the speaker-phone. If it matters, I will quickly ask someone in the room and verify what I missed, otherwise I get the gist.

Also, I downloaded the session files from Mark and Serge, and they are somewhat distorted, but here's why. They record at 16 bit 11,025 mono, which is one quarter of CD quality sound. So the sound files are very noisy, and hissy. There are actually dropouts during silences, sort of like some kind of noise gate is set on their recorder. Ironically, the first time Norm and I speak, our voices are even clearer than Kris'!!! Bizarre.

Also, Mark's voice is usually very clear, almost booms out, as he has a classic voice announcers voice that is very resonant. But even his voice was in the background and sounded like he was across the room.

"Can you hear me now?" was the mantra for this session!

Next, I asked about the Dhong-jak-TAAH aspect and recalled my first encounter in which he appears as an African male, and a blonde and black-haired male. He left me with a cryptic message: I asked him “how many focuses do I have?” And he just replied, “I’d like to reduce the aspects for now.” I remembered it very clearly. Gradually I came to interpret it as "less is more", stop making your astral explorations so complicated. And so I did. And I asked Kris about this interpretation.

Interestingly, I had never mentioned this to Serge during our private conversations, and yet Kris knew that this had occurred "approximately 7 or 8 years ago?" I looked it up today, and it occurred on October 3, 1999 (thank goddess for dream journals). So it was just over six years ago. Kris was in the ballpark. But when I asked Elias about this 1999 experience he related it to another powerful experience that occurred in October 1997, eight years ago. So these two experiences are related to this aspect of Dhong-jak-TAAH.

Kris pointed out that I would interpret information differently today as a result, than I would 7-8 years ago, and he's right. He also said that it's a necessary part of the process, to educate ourselves with a solid foundation so as to not get lost in distorted translations of communication from essence (which made me wonder how times in history has some "prophet's" translation been second or third rate, and changed the course of history?).

Anyway, not that I consider myself a prophet, just an explorer and map-maker of Self. But Kris was clear that it's important to keep things simple in order to get to a deeper complexity that is less distorted, and I have done just that. And it ain’t an easy road, and not for the faint-hearted, that's for sure.

Also, here's what Elias had to say about my first encounter with Dhong-jak-TAAH some six years ago:

PAUL: “I’d like to get your impressions on a dream experience that I had, and again, I did talk to Mary about this. This was what I call an out-of-body experience, and it was what I call a big one, which means from my perception it lasted for quite a long time. I also did not have a lot of objective memory of it, but I have that feeling tone of its duration, which is quite interesting and enjoyable to me. A couple of things happened during that.

One is, I have been doing this for a number of years now, basically merging with objects, walking through walls, diving into floors, breathing the dirt and the grass under the lawn, things like that was one thing that happened. Also in this event, or series of events, as I interpret them, I dove through the window again and got stuck and extracted myself, and concentrated harder and got through. That’s imagery that has appeared before that I’d like you to comment on.

There was a black teenager who I had given a cello lesson to that thanked me. That was one thing, and later on, he reappeared — well, it’s important for later on — where I was at my childhood home in the TV room in the back, sitting on a couch, and a male was there, and I asked him, “Are you my guide?” — and by guide, I mean I was looking for an aspect of self who can provide me with information, and I also called it “future Paul” — and he said he was, and I got extremely excited. (Here, Mary’s dog starts growling and barking)

I was very excited that I had connected with “future Paul” because I had been attempting to do that for several months, and the thing that he said to me is — I asked him how many focuses I had — “I’d like to reduce the number of aspects for now,” which I interpreted basically as a less is more kind of thing, or simplifying things. But anyway, this is a broader experience that was very significant to me, and I’d appreciate your comments.

ELIAS: This is what we may classify, so to speak, as a projection, and I express to you that you have also allowed yourself to be interactive with an aspect of essence.

Now; let me clarify that this aspect of essence is not necessarily an aspect of you within this focus, for in allowing yourself to be connecting with another aspect of self within this focus — this would also be termed an alternate self — you shall experience some elements of barriers, so to speak, that you shall not be threatening your individual identity. This is a different type of action than you have created in this projection. (1)

In this projection, you have allowed yourself to be encountering another aspect of essence, and as you have allowed yourself to image this aspect of essence, you also are offering yourself information in the direction to not be moving quite so singularly.

Are you understanding?

PAUL: Yes.

ELIAS: This provides you with the opportunity to engage another aspect of essence, which you may incorporate as a trigger, so to speak, to be offering yourself more information and to be offering yourself information of self that shall move you more easily into directions of acceptance of self.

And in this, the aspect of essence is communicating information to you to hold yourself in relaxation, and therefore allow yourself to open to more than you view — more than merely this one aspect, more than singular directions.

You hold a belief that you may not access or acquire information if you are not holding a specific direction, that you need be mapping out, so to speak, a particular direction, and you shall direct yourself in a manner in which you shall engage a particular journey, and therefore you shall offer yourself the information that you seek, and if you are not moving in this type of action, you shall be creating chaos, and in that chaos, you shall not be understanding what you offer to yourself, and therefore you shall not assimilate the information.

What the aspect is expressing to you is not to concern yourself so very intensely with one particular direction, and to relax and allow yourself to merely draw yourself into the information that you shall present yourself with, and you need not hold specifics to be offering yourself much information and much direction.

Are you understanding?

PAUL: Yes, I am. Just one follow-up question. In this particular experience, and in others during the summer when I’ve connected with a person, so to speak, as I image them, they change faces, shall we say. They morph from one aspect into another, and it’s slow, it’s gentle, and I’m very comfortable with it. I’m wondering if this is further imagery to reinforce that nudge to not focus so singularly.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

PAUL: So I should open to that, and go with that, and take it wherever it may take me.

ELIAS: Wherever you are taking yourself! (Grinning)

PAUL: Of course! (They both laugh) Well, thank you so much. This has been marvelous! You’ve given me, as always, a tremendous amount to think about until we meet again.

ELIAS: And we shall!

PAUL: Yes, we shall, old friend.

ELIAS: And you may offer my greetings to Tyl, and I shall express encouragement to you on your continued quest. (Laughing)

PAUL: (Laughing) Thank you so much!

ELIAS: You are very welcome. To you, my friend, I offer great affection, and shall be offering energy to you in your movement presently. To you this day, I express quite lovingly, au revoir.

PAUL: Au revoir.” [session #493, October 26, 1999]

(1) Paul’s note: Elias makes an interesting distinction here based upon another experience that I had discussed with him in October 1997 and again in March 1999. He said that I connected with an alternate self at that time.

Here are the excerpts from my discussions about Manson, an alternate self from October 1997 during my first private session with Elias:

PAUL: "Another dream experience that happened recently, a very lucid experience where I get this tingling, a crystal clear tingling in my forehead, as objective as I am now perceiving you. I asked Caroll [Paul], not using that name, to present him/her/itself, and a focus appeared, and I got the name ‘Manson.’ It was a fairly average-looking male, older than me, and I was very excited to see this appear. I tried to engage it in verbal communication and my throat constricted, and I realized that I was attempting to communicate in a way that was not as efficient or appropriate, and I choked on it and I woke up and I was really frustrated. I guess my question is, I had asked to connect with a future focus – that’s one of my little games I play with myself – and I’m wondering if this ‘Manson’ aspect is a future focus, and if you could comment on the type of communication I was attempting and not quite succeeding at?

ELIAS: There are two elements to this intersection; one being that you have presented yourself with a future focus, which is not a focus in your linear terms yet, for presently it is an aspect of this focus. It is a future focus simultaneously, but within your time thickness and your linear time designations, it also is an aspect of this present focus; an alternate self. Therefore, you experience difficulty in communication with this alternate self, for you create a barrier. This would be your barrier that you have created between these two aspects of this focus, in like manner to Michael’s [Mary’s] viewing of an alternate self, but not holding the ability to penetrate a field to touch the other aspect, creating a barrier between the two. Communication was allowed, but no contact was allowed, for a veil was placed between, for this is a slightly different action than intersecting with another focus. If allowing yourself to be connecting with this same aspect, which IS the other focus, you shall be more successful. If pursuing connecting or intersecting with this aspect as an aspect of you presently, you shall be experiencing slight difficulties, but you may be accomplishing if you are choosing to be pursuing this area.

PAUL: You mentioned certain parts of the experience not being allowed. That implies other essences that I’m....

ELIAS: Incorrect! Absolutely incorrect. It is not allowed by yourself, for it may be threatening to your individual identity, for this aspect is also you and not separate from you.

VICKI: Can I ask a question about that? So to go to the analogy of the tree and the branches and the leaves, this interaction could be viewed as a leaf? Is this correct?

(Vic’s note: this is in reference to Elias’ analogy of essence as a tree. Basically, he said that we could view a tree as essence, the branches as focuses of essence, the leaves as alternate selves and probable selves and splinters, and the seeds that fall to the ground as fragments, which then become an entirely new tree, but holding all the same qualities as the first tree.)

ELIAS: Correct.

VICKI: But you also said that within the context of a time thickness, it is also a future focus?

ELIAS: Correct.

VICKI: So does the leaf then turn into a branch?

ELIAS: They are connected. The leaf and the branch exist simultaneously, but they are different. They are both elements of the tree, but they occupy different positions; the branch being the focus, the leaf being the alternate. They are existing simultaneously. They are connected. They hold different functions and capacities. It would be as the leaf fading in and out, being an element of the branch, but then appearing as the leaf, then appearing as an element of the branch, and leaving ghost trails of the leaf.

VICKI: So I would imagine that this particular explanation of this action wouldn’t apply to all of what we consider alternate selves?

ELIAS: No. (Intently) Within each focus, as I have expressed, you hold myriads of alternate selves. They are not necessarily focuses. They are aspects of you, but you view yourselves so very singularly that you view yourselves as occupying one physical body with one thought process, with one mind, with one everything, but you are not. You are myriads of you’s within each focus; and within certain actions and probabilities, you may be choosing to be creating a focus of an alternate you, which is within simultaneous time already, but also is as you within an alternate self. Therefore, you may be interacting with them each individually, although they are the same. But within the choice of which direction you focus your attention and choose to be intersecting, if you are choosing to be intersecting with another focus, this is not quite as threatening to your individual identity within this particular focus, for you view within your belief systems that you may understand that another focus is an aspect of you, but holds its own integrity and is not you. Within an alternate, this does not exist. This alternate IS you. It is the same as you, for it is another aspect of you.

Just as you do not divide your emotional qualities from yourself and assign that they are different entities. You may be feeling joy or you may be feeling sadness, and these exist within you as elements of you. You do not separate them out and express, ‘This individual here is sadness; it walks beside me. This individual here is joyfulness; it walks beside me. I am neither of these entities, for these are separate elements of me and they are removed into separate entities.’ You do not view yourself in this manner. In the same respect, you may not separate alternates either. They are you; but in confronting yourself with an alternate, it is the same as popping out of yourself one singular emotion and creating another entity and facing yourself with this other you, which may not be separated out. You objectively image another image, another form, for this is what you understand, but this image is not another form. It is you.

In this, this be the reason that you hold the threat of identity in viewing an alternate where you do not feel quite such a threat of individual identity in intersecting with another focus, for you do hold limited understanding that another focus is not you.

(Vic’s note: Oh, I get it now!)

PAUL: So it was my fear of losing individuality when confronting myself right here that kept me from communicating with myself?

ELIAS: And completely intersecting. This is common. You may, if choosing to be pursuing this avenue and this intersection, you may be accomplishing in this, although this shall require more practice than would be necessary within intersection of another focus." [session #224, October 01, 1997]

PAUL: "... I have another follow-up question then. In October of 1997, we talked about an experience of mine, an out-of-body, where I connected with what I believe you termed at that time as an alternate future self. I did get a name of Manson and a very clear visual, but I had difficulty communicating and talking. So my question is, is that focus that I connected with in that experience, is that one of the focuses that’s probably holding a dissimilar tone? Because it was difficult for me to communicate. Is that correct?

ELIAS: No. Although you held difficulty in communication, you did not hold difficulty in accessing.

Many times you may experience difficulty in your actual objective communication and interaction with another focus. You are crossing what you may term to be barriers – time dimensions – and therefore you are engaging different layers of consciousness, and translations need be placed in order, in a manner of speaking. Therefore, you shall be experiencing certain elements of difficulty if you are attempting to be objectively interacting with the other individual.

Be remembering, this other individual IS another individual, but is also simultaneously you.

Therefore, this creates a difficulty, for engaging other focuses of essence within physical focus may disrupt your identity temporarily, as I have expressed previously. Therefore, there are barriers that you have created within physical focus to be preventing this action of confusing your individual identity.

In this, a focus which holds a slightly different tone from yourself ... you shall hold difficulty in accessing objective awareness of them at all." [session #377, March 23, 1999]

Kris also pointed out that Dhong-jak-TAAH is a distinct essence tone as different from Janaki (his essence name for me). This aspect helps me discover other essence bodies. So that relates to the Manson experience.

Finally, Kris also did a "booster shot" chant on the TAAH syllable toward the end of the session for all of us that last only @20 seconds, which like other chants he's done, acts to focus energy and adds clarity, almost like a small cup of coffee. It had the same effect on me. I wondered that even if it's self-hypnosis, I was doing a good job of giving mySelf a boost of energy. Whatever, it works.

I had begun a brief internal mantra meditation on the name, and found that the final syllable did lead my awareness toward a "sweet spot" in my awareness that is a gateway for projection forms. I could feel a subtle tug of my awareness on that syllable. So when Kris pulled the last syllable to did a chant on it, it made a deeper point that anyone can do this with time and practice.

We ended at 6:32 PM, and I pointed out to Norm, Reta, and Jane that it had been seven weeks since they last attended a session, and given Kris' accent, his jargon, and phone noise, it's easy to drop syntax in this current format. Hell, it's hard enough when we're in physical presence as everyone hears what they want to hear anyway!

We wished everyone well, and the next session will be on Halloween, so I told everyone to come dressed in costumes! It should be a lot of fun, and I know Jo will do her Day of the Dead celebration again, that she pioneered last year. Having Trick or Treaters arrive during the session should be most interesting too!

We had dinner of delicious veggie lasagna, and garlic bread, with tea, coffee, cookies and TastyKakes (imported from Philadelphia thanks to my mother!).

Serge called back to let us know that Kris came through (popped in) twice more afterwards. We were on desert at the time. But Kris delivered more material on communications imagery. So we'll wait for the transcript for all that. All in all, an interesting evening!

Paul

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Author:  Paul M. Helfrich

posted 11-01-2005 01:35 PM            

October 31, 2005

We held Dinner and a Dead Guy #29 last evening. Ester, Paul, and Jo were present on the Castaic, CA end (Paul T. joined late due to trick or treating), Norm and Reta Farb attended from Independence, OR, and Mark, Serge, Lida, John, and Myrna held down the Toronto, ON side of things.

We were using a new teleconferencing service recommended by a participant on NewWorldView as a direct result of the communications problems created during our last session. It's scaleable too and will allow others to join the fun by registering on the Kris Chronicles website. The cost is $20 and the price of a long distance call (depending on your rate, it could be only $3/hr. and the average call lasts between two and two and half hours).

Jo began by reading a Seasons "homily" on celebrating the passing seasons, seeing how it was Halloween yesterday, and today is All Saints Day and its many variations like Day of the Dead celebrated by many Mexican-Americans. This led to Kris coming through around 4:50 PM PST.

Kris spoke about the importance of gatherings of people and the need for rituals to celebrate these gatherings. He wasn't specific or prescriptive, mostly acting as a reminder of premodern practices lost in the dust of modernity.

He also spoke about the dream state, and dream gatherings that mirror physical gatherings.

So again, he encourage us to reconnect with ancient sacred rituals that connect us with essence. Not in the sense of empty mouthing of platitudes and empty movements, but sincere actions that rejuvenate and renew and remind us of our connections with Source at various times during the year.

There is a power when groups convene, and if undertaken for the purpose of communion with our inner selves, then we affect essence.

Kris used Hitler as an example of someone who was a master at using gatherings to promote group connection and spectacle, and challenged us to imagine what it might be like if a personality emerged who could direct this kind of group experience for authentic, transformative connection with our ever-present Source.

We are, by nature, civilization builders, and create group histories that perpetuate groups through time. I thought of the Jewish tradition and its six thousand years of recorded history that give the "tribe" a sense of purpose and belonging and a future (given the premodern distortions of "chosen people" which is really an ethnocentric bias that isolates and separates.)

It is in our best interest to cultivate relationships. We must begin with Self, and then apply what we learn to others, since the other is us, thinking of Tat Tvam Asi, or "thou are that." So interpersonal and intrapersonal relationships are crucial for a healthy society.

Then, we had a ten minute "communication breakdown" flashback where Toronto couldn't hear Castaic or Independence without static. And it was Halloween! Trick or treaters had begun to knock on our door. I wondered what other "ghosts" were playing with us? We all redialed back in, and the connections continued just fine, but it was a weird flashback to two weeks ago when we had trouble hearing each other.

Once we got back on track, Kris challenged us to take a few minutes each day and be mindful and notice those very ancient aspects of Self, and future aspects, and present aspects present within the same "room" of consciousness to enjoy the life-giving energies that comes from celebrating and gathering in groups in the present (I had an impression of Kris' deep love for the many rituals in various cultures that celebrate the passing seasons in toto, and how much fulfillment he has experienced in various lifetimes.)

"Honor the great gift of relationships = a treasure to be shared, not hoarded!"

During break I commented on some the Kris' comments about how the elderly are warehoused, and so on. I made the connection to the big differences between premodern and modern worldviews, along with emerging postmodern worldviews that seek to balance some of the inequities of modernity. For example, Kris suggested that teen violence and angst in general would be lessened if the youth had something more to look forward to in old age than being discarded, warehoused, and made consumers for the pharmaceutical companies.

He made us think about if the elders had ways to mentor and share wisdom and knowledge with the young, we would not lose so much practical knowledge. And further, it would give the elderly something else to do rather than simple retirement and singing along with the piano lady on Tuesday evenings.

So the second half of the session focused on the relationship between young and old, and how we could greatly improve our culture, particularly in the West where we've become obsessed with youth, and deny, repress, and marginalize our own deaths to the extent that the elderly are not prepared for death and dying at all, and suffer trauma once the grim reaper finally, inexorably approaches.

I was reminded that many of the Eastern traditions have practices to help prepare for death. In particular, the Tibetan Buddhists and Bardo Thodol help us realize we're as dead as we're ever going to be, when we're fully in touch with the simple feeling of being, of ever-present awareness.

Kris wished us all sweet dreams, and suggested, as usual, that we'd experience some of these concepts in dream state.

So pay attention!

I almost got to ask about Dhong-jak-taah, but time ran out. So more on my dream yoga progress later. But I had several lucid dreams and my first encounter with this aspect or guide the other morning. Interestingly, he appears as a male, and this time as a clarinet player (thinking back to the African cellist of previous encounters). So these symbols are closely associated with this aspect, and I will be mindful for future encounters.

Finally, Jo made a wonderful roasted tomato, garlic, in olive oil with hallah appetizer that we noshed on during the session. Dinner was a black bean chili, with fixins', and desert was various teas with a pumpkin cheese cake.

Who needs Halloween candy when we have all of that?

Paul and Ester stayed until 10:15 PM, and a good time was had by all.

Author:  Paul M. Helfrich

posted 11-14-2005 01:17 PM            

November 13, 2005

We held Dinner and a Dead Guy #30 last evening. We had tested out a new teleconferencing service two weeks ago, very affordable (just the price of a long distance call to Iowa or Las Vegas). So we used it again and were able to add a bunch of new sites and people. So we had an historic event of sorts last night in terms of perhaps the first multinational (three countries: Canada, USA, Netherlands) group channeling session.

In Toronto there was Serge, Mark, Myrna, John, Shawn, Lida, Andrea, Martin. Norm and Reta Farb joined in from Independence, OR. In Castaic, were Paul & Jo, Denise, Jene, and Ester (I note that Paul Tews, a D&DG regular since the very beginning just moved to Seattle for a one year job stint with Boeing as a computer programmer. So his presence was and will be sorely missed). Then, we were joined by Carter in Tennessee, Emmy in the Netherlands (it was 2AM!), Don "really" Allen in Seattle, WA and Ellen Gilbert in Delaware.

So we had 19 folks present, our largest group to date!

We had a little snafu in getting connected, the phone number Serge sent had one wrong digit. A few frantic phone calls and emails later, everyone got hooked up and we were off and running....

Kris came through and riffed on the nature of this "historic" (my word) gathering in the context of the process of connecting with essence, or objectively communication with subjective awareness.

Kris posed a question to the group: "What is essence?"

Emmy, Don, and Ellen (maybe others?) all chimed in with variations on the theme, to which Kris noted that they were all "true but partial" (my term again, but one that captures the gist). I thought of Korzybski's "the map is not the territory" in terms of any definition of essence or even All-That-Is, but we were focused on the essence layer.

Kris offered a nice Zen-flavored definition: "Essence is the sum total of our being, but the whole is always greater than the sum of its parts." (my paraphrase)

There's more, of course, but I'm only providing snapshots.

Kris also went into an extended bit, meditation on the expansive nature of essence and how different perspectives may be used in which to experience "wider awareness."

Toward the end, Emmy wanted to ask a question, but Kris told her to wait, and write it down if necessary.

We had a 12 minute break @5:35 PM. Emmy mentioned that she had had a dream before the session in which she was "moving" inside her body from a different perspective, and that it was exactly what Kris had talked about this his little exercise. Interesting sync. More conversation ensued about transcribing the sessions (Ellen is doing that now), and even how we've now developed a "semi-pro" version of web publishing that makes these (and Elias') session available to the public. Towards the end I brought up Emmy's dream, and her earlier dream that she posted on Ellen's Inner Visions Journal and noted the precognitive elements it contained.

Kris returned just as I was finishing my comments. He commented on how various religions and arts have always attempted to explain, map, and express the nature of essence in relation to the focus personality. But sometimes it's easy to get lost in the translations themselves, which end up distorting things as history and postmodern critiques all attest.

Kris used a metaphor of vehicle and driver for objective and subjective awareness, and pointed out how we've become so identified with the body and five sense perceptions that we tend to confuse that for "the real" or permanent. In other words, it's easy to confuse the vehicle (body senses/focus) for the driver (essence).

He also showed how in waking state our attention drifts and we actually contact essence. A day-dream is one simple example. But these are legitimate if subtle communications with essence. I was reminded of Elias' communications with essence that greatly elaborate this idea. The point is that we are essence and much closer than we realize, it's just that we look outside of ourSelf for our divine source, and it's nested within our awareness and energy bodies all along.

Coinkidinkily, today's Zen Calendar quote reads:

"Not knowing how hear the truth [of essence] is, we seek it far away." ~ Hakuin

Interestingly, Kris harped on how these communications, noticing, identifying, and recognizing them gets easier with practice. I was reminded of the essential Sethian mantra, "you get what you concentrate on, there is no other main rule." So if we learn to concentrate on these avenues of communication (dreams, impressions, impulses, emotions, body symptoms, etc.) they all provide direct interaction with essence (there is no separation, but outer ego sure maintains the divine camouflage!).

This is really a simple process! Simply NOTICE! that mood, feeling tone, meditative mood that seeks communication with essence.

Kris opened the floor to questions @6:08PM.

Mark let Emmy go first, and she recounted her recent dream about Kris' exercise. Kris acknowledged Emmy and pushed her to expand beyond conventional precognitive elements and definitions to see what lies beyond.... He also reinforced the importance of journaling and mapping our dream imagery, symbols, triggers, focal points, etc. to make the connections, and how we often have precognitive elements in our nightly dreams but miss the connections because we don't yet follow our dreaming lives.

Don asked about his recent emotional communications and Kris pointed out three layers or perspectives in dealing with these, and the furthest one could be ten minutes from NOW. He challenged Don to observe what happens if he does this the next time. I thought this might come in handy for playing the lotto .

Jene asked a crystal ball question (Elias' term) about a job situation and whether it would pan out, and Kris guided her to be examine her own beliefs, intent, and needs on the issue, since everything follows from that anyway!

Kris then came back with a question for "Y'all" (which cracked me up, because it was clearly a jibe at Carter, our Southern friend from Kentucky/Tennessee. "the next time we communicate with essence, ask yourSelf why is has been so difficult to do this?"

Ironically, as Kris was slowly baiting us with the question, two people on the Castaic end started coughing. And having been in this game for years now, I immediately felt their resistance to even asking this question, but when it obliterated the key word = "difficult" I got frustrated.

So when Kris signed off I immediately asked the group to confirm the question, much to the defensive "posturing" of Jene and Jo who were the coughers. We laughed about this shortly afterward, as I asserted my right to be frustrated by not hearing the key word.

Anyway, Ester was in a zone and she heard that correctly in spite of the coughs, and earlier had heard the word "static" which ironically was obliterated by line static. In fact, Carter asked at the end if anyone had any static problems and I chimed in with that earlier example. And Ellen and others chimed in with 3-4 instances in the closing ten minutes, which we confirmed on our end.

But over all, the session was very clear, and everyone, including Kris came through just fine on the new telcon service we're using.

Kris popped back in, as we were discussing this, and rephrased the question as "Why do you make it so difficult for essence to communicate with you? Why are you so afraid to love?"

We gabbed a bit, thanked everyone as signed off.

Jo had made roasted tomatoes and garlic in olive oil with French bread as an appetizer. Dinner was a vegetarian Shepard's Pie with Hallah bread, and desert was my favorite a cinnamon, chocolate-chip, sour cream coffee cake with tea and coffee.

I spoke to Serge briefly this morning as I always do after a group session, and Kris came back for another 20 minutes as that large group pondered various questions. So we'll look forward to reading the full transcript when it comes out.

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Author:  Paul M. Helfrich

posted 11-28-2005 06:08 PM            

November 27, 2005

We held Dinner and a Dead Guy #31 last night. We met some new folks, too. Jo, Paul H., Jeanette (Jo's mom), and our new neighbor Gordon were in the Castaic Group (I will note again the regular Paul Tews is in Seattle on a one year engineering gig). We also told folks to participate from home due to the heavy traffic Sunday night at the end of the Thanksgiving Holiday. The 5 becomes a parking lot for Southbound traffic for 5-6 hours every year.

Norm and Reta joined us from Independence, OR. Serge, Mark, Jackie, Michelle, John, and Myrna joined from the Toronto side (where they had a blizzard earlier in the week, courtesy on an Alberta Clipper!). There was a new group "the Russians" from New Jersey that included Ella, Inna, Natasha, and Daniel. The call was rounded out by singles: Anya in Salt Lake City, UT, Ellen Gilbert in Delaware, Emmy Van Swaaj from the Netherlands, Denise Mazzoco from North Hollywood, CA (and a D&DG regular), Don "really" Allen from Seattle, Tom from Oahu, HI, Jon from New York, and Kaust (pronounced "cost") also from Delaware. Twenty-four souls from three countries and twelve locations, further imagery of expansion.

We began around 4:47 PM. Kris surprised me by asking the group twice in the early going to please use the mute function to keep down background noise, as we could hear heaving breathing and even some side bar kind of background rumblings.

Kris started with the holiday theme, as we just finished Thanksgiving in the US, which kicks off the Christmas, Hanukah, Kwanzaa, and whatever else around much of the planet. Kris reminded us that this is generally a time of year for "spiritual renewal" and in the West our Judeo-Christian traditions are actually derived from Vedic origins in the East. So Christ or Christos is actually a premodern form of the earlier Krishna featured in the Bhagavad Gita.

For thousands of years, we understood the esoteric meaning of Christ as a "higher state" within a human being, something that we "move towards." Ancient gnostic groups in Britannia, the Mediterranean, and Central American cultures over 2,000 years ago knew this (as an aside, according to social anthropologists, ancient shamanism "evolved" towards direct experience of Source, emptiness, shunyata, Tao, Brahmajyoti, etc. during the axial period that began some 2,500 years ago with folks like Buddha, Zoroaster, Christ, and others.).

So this "state of Christos consciousness" has been know about in the esoteric or inner traditions for several thousand years now. This has been "forgotten" in the modern era (and some, myself included, argue that this is a pathological split between modern science and premodern religion. That is, modern science threw out God with the premodern prerational fairy-tale bathwater. Emerging postmodern worldviews are attempting to heal this split).

Again, the point is that each one of us has direct access to this "state" of Christ, so that it is possible for each of us to experience inner revelation and enlightenment so that we "become" or "realize" our own Christhood, Buddha-mind, Tao, or All-That-Is.

This has been distorted, repressed, and marginalized in the modern era.

Kris also has begun adapting some Eliasian terms and concepts, notably "the remembrance of essence" to point out the same kind of potential experiences.

Kris also talked about his use of myth (which is very similar to Seth's). He doesn't use as a conventional falsehood, but as, and I find this quite beautiful, "a specific coded language that is meant to awaken the echoes of our own heroic dimension, Buddhahood, Christhood."

He qualified that is not his intention to invalidate others' traditions or customs, but it is his intent to point out that these stories always represent "greater" events as they relate to our manifestation into physical expression.

(Kris also now regularly uses Elias' "expression of essence" in his own way, which I also find quite beautiful.)

All of this is worthy of celebration!! And Kris would go on to use this celebration theme until the very end of the session.

(First break @ 5:12 PM)

During break there were various conversations. It was difficult to hear Ella and her group, the connection was not good on their end throughout.

Kris returned with mythos and how it will always be present in some form (this is an interesting sync with my Seth on a Conscious Creation Myth series too. No accidents, I know. I used this time of year to explore it as it leads nicely right into the main Holiday season in the West.)

Myths evolve, and transform and are meant to convey info on origins, purpose, etc.

Kris then something intriguing, namely, that there are other beings that examine the myths we create. They are viewed with the utmost interest (for example, our current myths have moons, planets, solar systems, galaxies, etc. and not all do.)

Kris said we could AAA (acknowledge, address, accept = his variation of Elias' NIRAA) the fact that we created each day uniquely. And what sort of celebration do we offer ourSelves? He ended with this rhetorical question.

(Second break @5:33 PM.)

Conversation included someone asking for clarification on these "beings" that Kris hinted at. Mark said he'd follow up on that.

Kris returned and opened the floor to questions. Ella asked about these "beings" that are interested in our myths, and were they physical, nonphysical, essence, dreams, or what, to which Kris replied, "All the above."

Kaust asked about how to celebrate ourSelves when we don't yet accept ourSelves, and Kris replied, "Just do it!" Just like the Nike commercial I thought! But seriously, Kris said we all learn something by teaching it. So just try it, and do it, and the rest will follow from there.

Anya had a question, and Reta interjected something about Akashic Records and Seth and Jane, to which I added that Seth never went into those in depth and Jane's Psychic Library (Psychc Politics) was an example of her accessing the heroic dimensions and personages, which she talks about at length. Jane received the Codicils from her Library. But I mentioned that Edgar Cayce may have talked about the Akashic Records, and that we don't really yet understand just what is involved. Elias also uses the term energy deposits and Jane Roberts accessed "worldviews" (thinking of her worldview books on Cezanne, William James, and Rembrandt).

Denise asked about how to access these kinds of "energies" and how they're accessed by other beings? To which Kris replied through dream states, through focus versions of history, through sharing energies outside conscious minds (essence exchange). He reminded us that there are no closed systems, and all is accessible in theory through various "psychological atmospheres" and there is constant exchange on various "layers" within All-That-Is.

Kris mentioned that Quadrant 1 (same as Seth's Framework 1, Elias' Regional Area 1 and Kris' Level 1) and Quadrant 2 (Frameworks ... 2, 3,4...) are involved in these exchanges where various cultures are accessed.

So I surmise that "the Akashic Records" are located in Quadrant 2 (which contains "low subtle" areas or fields of consciousness).

Kris challenged us all to wake up tomorrow and celebrate the exuberance and great energy that we each are!!

The Christness, Buddhaness will shine forth wherever we go!

Keep going, on the second and third day, keep going.... "that is our lovely challenge to you..."

(End @6:11 PM.)

(Pop-in based on closing group discussion @6:20 PM.)

Kris riffed on "aspects of essence" (another Eliasian theme, and one developed by Jane Roberts) in that objective and subjective "layers" of exchange are expanded in the dream state (so this was a reminder to do our dream practices!).

Learn to recognize a deeper tone within yourSelf that promotes celebration!!

"Tis the season to be jolly....."

In the after-conversation, Jo mentioned that Kris' celebration theme dove-tailed into a Topic she has been running in these Forums for the past two months called Self-Appreciation.

This is the kind of sync that we love between Seth, Elias, and Kris. Also, I made the connection that Elias has been riffing in the past two group sessions in 2005 on the theme of appreciation, so much so that he's given two appreciation practices (there are others, but see the July 2005, and October 2005 group sessions).

Also, Jo had not read any of these sessions when she decided to start her Topic on appreciation (aka celebration), so that's another interesting sync. And, how clever of Kris to work it in with the current Holiday energy!

Finally, last but not least, Joanne cooked a Greek dish (mousaka), and we had lemon-pound cake and tea for dessert. Gordon went home around 8:15, and Jo and Jeanette conked out earlier. Which left me celebrating my evening with Sunday night football and Lakers' basketball while musing over the wonderful day I had.....

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Author:  Paul M. Helfrich

posted 12-19-2005 12:46 PM            

December 18, 2005

We had 19 folks participate. Jo, Ester, and mySelf on the Castaic end.

I didn't take notes for a change, as I was tired by session time. So my summary is really in three main parts:

The opening dissertation lasted about 35 minutes. Kris began with a reference to the previous telcon's "civilization building" theme. He also used the term "intestinal fortitude" several times in reference to the courage involved in building our current civilization with all its various aspects. In general, Kris led the group through his version of who is this "you" who is creating 100% of your reality? Who is the "you" involved in civilization building? Which is really exploring ego, or focus personality, in relation to All-That-is. It quickly gets BIG whenever he dips into the "unknown" reality.

Kris also did a riff on Elias' answer to why did the chicken cross the road? = "For the experience," in which he challenged us to look at our experiences in all their variety and seek to understand why we are here pursuing them? Why are we creating them in the first place?

During the first break there was a lot of static and the group spent 10 minutes trying to isolate the line. Then there was 5-10 minutes of discussion. Norm, a retired physicist in Oregon, updated the group on this progress on Kris' healing machine (he has crystals and motors....), and mentioned that he's been studying Tiller's work and other related things. He mentioned that physicists, even Nobel Prize winners, are leaning toward a refined "intelligent design" explanation of creation.

When Kris returned he acknowledged this important direction, but cautioned that the work could be hijacked by fundamentalist agendas (as is happening currently. For example, the rubric of Intelligent Design also includes claims of dinosaurs existing on Noah's Ark, and other prerational, mythic religious claims along side of interesting arguments that show inconsistencies and anomolies in current Darwinian/Dawkinsian evolutionary theory).

I noted to myself that Seth's Dream-Art Science is a better moniker with less baggage associated with it.

The second dissertation got into Aspect Psychology, and multiple co-primary aspects in other dimensions vs. primary aspects in ours. We talked about trace elements we call multiple personality disorder that are pathological in the sense that they're fragmented and non-integrated. This is often the result of severe trauma. But there are also examples of multiples in our dimension that have experienced NO trauma, and consists of, more or less fully integrated multiples co-existing that are aware of each other and just fine with the arrangement!

I also asked Kris about Elias' concept of primary aspects in relation to these other dimensions, as an integrated set of co-primary aspects residing within a single body. To which he replied, "indeed." This means that the blueprint of primary aspects are a deeper structure within essence (the subtle field) that gets explored in all its variety in various Framework 1s, or what Kris calls Level 1s. So that was a light bulb moment for me.

It is a parsimonious design that serves as a seed for all sort of complex evolutionary unfoldings in various physical dimensions.

I also pointed out that Elias also talks about alternate selves within his Aspect Psychology to show how we, as primary aspects, consist of sub-selves or aspects. For example, we don't experience rage and bliss simultaneously. They are distinct STATES, each connected to its own alternate self aspect that has its own history within the larger primary aspect. And if we scale this up to a dimension where 7-8 co-primary aspects exist, then the permutations become mind boggling. Talk about holding conflicting beliefs within the moment by various aspects!

To which Kris went into new definitions for multiple orgasms, and we had a tons of laughs over that one!

After the session, I also mentioned for the record that Seth had provided an example of this very concept in Seth Speaks. (I did a quick search and could not find the reference, so it may be elsewhere.) Also, all the material on probabilities and probable selves from Seth and Elias relate to this discussion as well, and provide additional concepts that hint at how BIG multidimensional personality really is, and how we as a species are widening awareness to include more and more aspects of essence in waking state.

For eats, Jo started with an appetizer call "baked brie" with almonds and dried cherries served with French bread. It was delicious. For our main course, she serve Tofurkey, a tofu based turkey substitute with real looking skin made of soy! She added a mix of potatoes, sweet potatoes, leeks, carrots, and garlic. It came with stuffing and gravy from a company called Now & Zen. We joked that it was so California! And the picture is somewhat scary-looking, but it was delicious and highly recommended. For desert we had a variety of teas with Christmas cookies baked by my mom, shipped in from Pennsylvania.
We had fun with the Tofurkey, so much so that Carter actually called us after the telcon to get the details! We had some laughs and a good time.

Ester left around 9 PM, and we cleaned up and went to dreamland.

Author:  Paul M. Helfrich

posted 01-09-2006 10:23 AM            

January 08, 2006

Last night was our 33rd Dinner and a Dead Guy (though the formal name is Kris: The International Sessions, it is still a dinner and dead guy for us in Castaic. So it's now a desert topping AND a floor wax ). On the Castaic end there was Robn, her son Blaze, his girlfriend Jess, and Jess' mom Carol, Ester, Paul, Jo, and the ever-present Rumi the kitty.

All together there were 18 folks including Myrna, John, Mark, and Serge in Toronto, Ella in New Jersey, Tom in Oahu, HI, Norm & Reta in Oregon, Lise in Oregon, Anya in Utah, and Steven in Virginia. The session began around 4:45 PM.

Kris opened with a "year in review" theme, which led into the session's main theme, which he said was intended as a philosophical challenge: "The Year of Enlightenment By Compassion." Now Kris defines enlightenment as the remembrance of essence and Self, not as an end point or perfected finished state, but as a widening of awareness from our present state of being in the world.

Regarding compassion, it can be demonstrated in various ways: teachings and philosophies that promote Self-realization (remembrance) within our intents. Another way includes acts of kindness, mercy, healing, etc. whether of the ordinary or extraordinary kind. So the teachings are a means to an end, the action of compassion. All of the authentic religions feature teachings on compassion through action, service, and Be-ing.

All this occurs within a larger developmental process, unique to whatever field of consciousness we wake up in every day.

Now, when it comes to various stories from the world's religions dealing with compassion, Kris cautioned us to take them as allegory, NOT as literal, empirical fact. So tales of giving life to the dead, sight to the blind, hearing to the deaf all have deeper meanings intended to AWAKEN awareness, be-ing. So there is a kind of spiritual death, blindness, and deafness being lifted in these tales, so spiritual life, sight, and hearing are the results.

And acts of compassion are trademarks of a different state of perception within physical life. Much of these esoteric, or inner, gnostic meanings get lost in translation in various exoteric, exterior, materialist formats in the world's present religions.

We are still very much in an egocentric or "it's all about me" individual STAGES as well as collective ERA (or historical stage). The deeper, gnostic nature of compassion gets lost in that kind of narcistic, ego-bound focus. This is not BAD, it's simply a STAGE of our overall development and cultural evolution.

The STATE of Buddhahood, or Christhood is possible but forbidden or neglected even though various attempts continue to be made to make teachings, practices available to access our true, deeper nature as spiritual BE-ings.

Kris pointed out, again, that our Western, Judeo-Christian worldviews are an amalgam of preceding, premodern worldviews including Mythras, and the Cult of the White Bull (Persian), Krishna (India), Dionysus (Greek), and Isis, Osiris, and Horus (Egyptian trinity). That is to say that the myths and stories of these traditions were adopted, modified, and subsumed by the emergence Christian worldview when it was born 2,000 years ago (which is a drop in the bucket, because human history goes back HUNDREDS of millions of years on this planet according to Kris).

Kris challenged us to review these ancient systems and make the connections to see the larger pattern of development. As Mark said during break, "we need to know where we've been to know where we're going." So looking at history and tracing roots of development can be very helpful.

Again, if we can learn to access innate STATES of compassion, states of BE-ing that include transegoic awareness, we could further enrich our modern and postmodern lives. There's no need to pursue vows of poverty, and reject all material things, but find a balance, an equilibrium between material and spiritual, outer and inner, objective and subjective pursuits to live IN the world while we are privileged to call it HOME. That is, materialism, consumerism while having certain benefits, will never lead to our greatest fulfillment, individually or collectively.

All STATES are not fully translatable into egoic terms... which led into a chant: 4-5 syllables....

My impression, having closed my eyes, was of a sun/flower bursting open with vital energy. It radiated from my heart and forehead energy centers. It was very focusing as I meditated on it over the phone. We did have some drop out, as others mentioned during break.

Kris continued with compassion as the common denominator in the world's religions and exemplified by various "avatars" (Like Buddha, Christ, Lao Tzu, Mohammed, etc.). These avatars themSelves were HEALED by compassion and then attempted to share that with others, thus these "heroes of compassion" are driven to help others to live, see, and hear spiritually while IN the world.

These allegories and allegorical "characters" (i.e. avatars) are all a means to teach ourSelves about the Heroic Dimensions and fields of objective and subjective experience.

Kris then went into the first parable that he's presented in a group session according to Serge, with whom I spoke this morning to verify (Serge mentioned that he used The Man and the Snake parable with Mark in a private session, so this was an interesting turn of events).

The gist of the story is that the man lives on a mountain barely eeking out a living with his family, and complains about his miserable situation. He meets a "stranger" who ends up pointing out that despite the poor growing conditions, he lives on a mountain of pure gold. But the man refuses to change anything, so used to his misery.... The moral of the story? Well, that's in the eye of the beholder, and there's 3-4 levels on which this story works.

There was further discussion during break and even some follow up questions to Kris later.

After the second break, Kris came back and took questions. So he's being rather formal with these expanded, international sessions, tending to lecture for the first 30-60 minutes and take questions, relevant questions at the end.

Steven, from Virginia, asked about "being in the now" in relation to Kris' challenge for us to seek our Western Juedeo-Christian roots. But you'll have to read the transcript for the details.

We ended around 6:22 PM, chatted for 10-15 as people said their "happy new year's" and "goodbyes."

Jo cooked another feast. The appetizers included 7-Layer Dip and Chips, Polenta with Chili & Cheese, Salad, Oreo Pie & Cookies, Tea for desert (no coffee drinkers this evening).

Our new neighbor Gordon, joined us for dinner. He attended a D&DG six weeks ago, and was curious what Kris talked about. We also chatted about this Buddhist interests.

Overall, another fun night!

The next D&DG will be in two weeks, on Janaury 22, 2006.

P.S. We missed you Carter & Emmy

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Author:  Paul M. Helfrich

posted 01-24-2006 01:13 PM            

January 22, 2006

Last evening we participated in Dinner and a Dead Guy #34. On the Castaic side, we had Jo, myself, Gail, and Carl. On the Toronto end: Serge, Mark, and Michele. In Delaware: Ellen, Cathy, Brian, and Evelyn. Rounding out things were Tom in Oahu, and Anya in Utah, 13 in all.

Kris opened the session with the usual pleasantries, but interestingly, made a comment acknowledging that the session occurred during our American football playoffs, something I said I was taping before the session. And as it turned out, this was the reason that Carter in Tennessee chose not to participate, as the NFC Championship game is a high priority (for those engaging their inner-Zuli appreciation of these events).

As he continued, Kris asked for a recap of the previous group telcon whose theme was The Year of Enlightenment by Compassion. Mark put Ellen on the spot, since she had transcribed the session, and she offered some fragments, and other folks then chimed in with bits and pieces to get the ball rolling.

This set the stage for continued exploration and discussion, as Kris challenged our assumptions of how "enlightenment" is defined because there are many different interpretations. He then asked, "What are some of the conventional definitions of enlightenment." I offered that it is a type of awakening to and presence within Source for the focus personality (that's my current understanding of Advaita, Vajrayana, Dzogchen, and other Eastern systems that promote the concept of enlightenment). Others added variations.

Kris went on to say that most deal with a commitment to be a mouth-piece for a "deity du jour", one that usually included a vow of renunciation of the flesh (a sinful-self or flawed self variation), and the ideals of some kind of ego annihilation.

All cultures have individuals who gain enlightenment based on local cultural interpretations, that is, local cultural constructions. This isn't to invalidate the condition, but situate it in the ongoing ebb and flow of consciousness in the world of space and time. So "enlightenment" is common in some form to all the world's great religions.

Therefore, enlightenment IS innate to human nature, and we all have the potential, however, few ever experience it.

He briefly mentioned Ruburt (Jane Roberts) as someone who was enlightened (I only later wondered how that could be in the context of earlier comments several years ago that Jane's sinful self was the "psychological cancer" that caused her death. Perhaps enlightenment is only permanant, stable access to Source, since the body must be eventually disengaged from in some fashion. But why such a painful, dramatic choice at the peak of her career? If THAT's an example of enlightenment, then most of our assumptions about the state are way off base.)

Kris did go on to say the in Jane's case, enlightenment is defined as having direct waking access to Source, not just in words but as translated into action and deeds. (I thought of her Seth books, poetry, fiction, worldview and children's books as expressions of her access to various Aspects of Source).

Kris then moved onto compassion, which he defined as those deeds or actions motivated by the previous defintion of enlightenment, again, as direct, stable access to Source (or what Elias would call subjective awareness in all its variations).

Further, enlightenment is a process of remembrance or "remembering" essence (which Elias defines not as memories, but an action or state of being). This is another way of saying "connecting with Source."

Over the next century, there exists the potentials for greater numbers of people experiencing "enlightenment" in this context (and that's consonant with Seth's and Elias' descriptions of the 2075 probabilities or the shift in consciousness). However, before enlightenment we go to the bathroom, and after enlightenment we still go to the bathroom (i.e. our shit still stinks). So again, our projections of enlightenment are not what this condition really is, since it includes our physical nature, embraces it, understands the sacred bond between flesh and spirit that make this life possible.

(Now, Kris has talked about stages of development but missed the opportunity to add some depth regarding how enlightenment, by his defintion, is attainable as a STATE and a STAGE of development. Granted, if I were more prepared I could have mustered some leading questions, but still, he's the sage on the stage! Anyway, according to Vedanta and Vajrayana, we experience the STATE of enlightenment every night during our deep, dreamless sleep cycles, only 99.9999% of us don't recall this. That is, we are not AWAKE and thus don't "remember" our deep connection with Source every sleep cycle. Further, in terms of STAGES, enlightenement in this definition may well be its own developmental line or stream, per Wilber's AQAL, so that we can gain the "remembrance" and have a wide awareness in that area, and yet be very underdeveloped in other lines, e.g., emotional, interpersonal, moral, linguistic, mathematical, musical, and so on. In this integral context then, enlightenment ain’t all it's cracked up to be (!) in the sense that it's "just" the remembrance of Source, but our shit still smells, and we may not be able to hit a baseball, or fix and car engine, etc. We continue to live in the world though we fully realize we are not ultimately limited to being only of this world.)

Also, as we experience enlightenment physically, it is not a final STATE or STAGE, because our consciousness continues AFTER physical focus. That is, Kris went into the BIG area and reminded us that we are simultaneously nested within a multidimensional gestalt (that I call I-I-I, Seth calls All-That-Is, Elias calls "all of consciousness). So we as focus personalities are never really as separated from I-I-I as our present experience often seems to suggest.

Now this doesn't mean that we are gods in the premodern mythic-religious sense, that's a distortion. (People who are drawn to this material intuit that the BLUE [in Spiral Dynamics integral terms] worldview is too literal and superstitious, not based on rational, empirical evidence much of the time, and so the GREEN, or postmodern worldview understands that these are symbols of deeper Aspects of I-I-I, and that the multidimensional gestalts Kris, Elias, and Seth discuss are symbolic of our deeper nonphysical nature.)

This led into what Mark and Serge call "Rolling Thunder," when Kris' voice rises with a passionate tone calling for us to remember the deep and simple connections between our cells, selves, and divinity.

During the first break Serge mentioned that he was pretty deep under during the first 25 minutes. He usually yawns once or twice entering trance, but this time it was more sustained, five or six times, and wham, he felt like he went down a deep cliff into the opening of the session. (This is an interesting difference in the energy exchange between Serge and Kris compared to Mary and Elias. From my observations, Mary usually goes down deep and is long gone into her "holding within the wave" of energy in a deep, formless state. Serge experiences more "closeness" to waking state, and has a sense of bits and pieces of what was discussed. Sort of like dream fragments or impressions, similar to the descriptions of Jane Roberts's Seth trances, whereas Mary recalls nothing at all, zip, zero, which implies a deeper trance or dissociation from the energy exchanged content.

After the break Kris continued with enlightenment, there are similarities in the STATES experienced, but they are couched in unique (or eccentric) cultural guises. Still there are common denominators (hinting that this is a valid STATE and possible to identify empirically, thinking of brain imaging in concert with first person reports).

There is no single definitive STATE of enlightenment that is identical 100% across cultures (and I would suggest the same is true with STAGES. What's the difference? As Ken Wilber says," STATES are free, but STAGES are earned," meaning that we each experience a STATE of enlightenment every 24 hour cycle during deep, dreamless sleep, but to develop into a permanant STAGE, which Wilber lists as the highest realization possible in physical focus, requires growth and transformation since we are each born at STAGE one, namely, egocentric. In Wilber's AQAL or integral operating system, IOS, the highest STAGE is called Kosmocentric or nondual union with form and emptiness.)

Now, Kris went on to say that the STAGE of enlightenment is not a "soupy One-ness" or ego-obliteration in the premodern conventional sense as it's often misinterpreted. There is ALWAYS an outer ego construction as long as we're physical (it's just that when we develop our spiritual line into the Kosmocentric STAGE, our outer ego is so expanded, stretched, WIDENED, so as to constantly identify with I-I-I, all the while understanding that the little "I" is local to the physical construction or physically manifest focus personality Aspect of I-I-I.)

Kris mentioned that differentiation and non-differentiation, duality and nonduality, nonBardo and Bardo are no longer necessary and yet, there is an understanding of individuality within simultaneous I-I-I-ness.

Kris mentioned Quadrant 4, or what he calls core light (similar to the Tibetan Clear Light of Dzogchen and Vajrayana Buddhism).

This led into another Rolling Thunder riff pointing out that conventional, premodern religious beliefs are way too limiting.

Then he went back to compassion. It is an intrinsic part of our nature and our creaturehood (I was reminded of Seth's natural grace). We can only become enlightened through connecting with our blood, bones, eyes (our bios and physios energies, along with our noos energies) as expressions of essence, of Source, to remember our roots, where we come from. (I noted that while Kris acknowledged the importance of our genetics, or the Upper Right or behavioral aspects of Wilber's AQAL, the Upper Left or intentionality aspects pre-exist physical manifestation. That is, our first person perspectives pre-exist as essence in the subtle field of consciousness BEFORE they are manifest into Quadrant 1/Framework 1.)

Kris then opened the floor to questions: I attempted to articulate a question about different "species of enlightenment" experienced by various Aspects of I-I-I within his four Quadrants cosmology. He rephrased it as what kind of enlightenment experiences are experienced within all the clusters of consciousness, noted is was an interesting question, and yet it was almost impossible to describe in our linear language and concept maps.

What I was trying to articulate, was the gnawing and growing impression that the kind of enlightenment we discuss in relation to development in physical form, in Quadrant 1, is unique ONLY to Quadrant 1 experience or constructions. But in Quadrants 2, 3, and 4, each has a unique "species" of consciousness that experiences duality and nonduality, differentiation and nondifferentiation, Bardo and nonBardo, etc. in uniquely different ways, and are actually part of what helps us distinguish Aspects nested within those Quadrants. In other words, it helps to define these different "fields of nested conscousness."

And yet, paradoxically, I-I-I exist within form and emptiness simultaneously forever, "always already" so this game of duality and nonduality, etc. gets expressed as unique "species" within the different Quadrants. Anyway, Kris gave a lengthy answer, and I attempted to summarize as best I could, to which he replied it was adequate. I took this to mean that there will always be certain ineffable expressions of I-I-I that are just not translatable in to physical form and languages, but accessible only through direct inner experience. So the answers ARE available, and this is not some esoteric mysterious concept.

There was also a mention that compassion is freely given, unconditionally without expectation of a return or payoff.

We had another break during which I mentioned two books by Ken Wilber that were related to this discussion of enlightenment and compassion: One Taste and The Simple Feeling of Being. Coinkidinkily, Rob had posted a lengthy excerpt from One Taste earlier in the week here on NWV about divinely big egos in relation to the Eastern concept of egolessness and enlightenment.

Kris returned taking more questions. Gail asked about the color purple in a recent dream and Kris connected it with her moving through deep, dreamless sleep states (or subjective awareness) back into the waking state, and not quite remembering all the details of the experience. But she was seeking nurturing from her essence to feel supported, uplifted, and secure.

Gail nodded throughout his answer.

Then Kris queried Rosalie (Jo) about where her questions were? He caught her off-guard as she was busy processing her own impressions from the session. She didn't really have any questions she could think of off-hand, but then Kris "threw her a bone." He mentioned a recent dream of hers, that she didn't recall, that was related to the focus of Hildegard von Bingen, who lived in the 11th and 12th centuries and had a big impact on the Church. Kris connected her parents, as focuses of Kris and Joseph (Serge) to the lineage founded in Britain by a focus of Jo's called Jessaline who was born into a Jewish family in ancient Israel (According to Elias, I was her brother in that lifetime, a scribe, educated, who worked in the Temple of David named Hezekiah. We did a TFE, or trans-focal encounter years ago and connected with those lifetimes, though Jo has had a LOT more connections and impressions, so much so that she's been working on a book draft based on Jessaline's life).

I later looked up Hildegard von Bingen and noted that Kris was a couple of centuries off in his timeline in situating that focus, which leads to all sorts of other questions, including the fallibility of Kris, and various types of distortion that affect the energy exchange, two issues that we have to be diligent about.

Finally, we had dinner. Jo made a spinach pie for an appetizer that we munched on throughout the session. Dinner was a chicken stew with corn bread. Dessert was tea with a Tiramisu cake. A good time was had by all. Gail and Carl stayed until around 9:30.

Oh yes, Ellen called back around 8:30 PM and read us the bit from last weeks local group Toronto session with a reference to Hildegard von Bingen. So I suspect that Kris is using that focus and its lineage to inspire us to make further connections with other focuses, because so many of us are connected to it in one way or another.

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