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Volume Three
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In This Issue
Miss Blake Interviews Chris Johnson
In Memorium: Thomas Doerflinger
WE ARE EVERYTHING by KUNLE
A Sethian Praxis by Paul Helfrich
manifest by Dan Scranton
Coordination Points by Bill Ingle
Prophet Moment by Paul Venard
Secondhand God by Miss Blake
Cumming Poems by Anjha
Gycen Session on the choice of the election by John McNally
When You Know that You Are You by Cain
Announcements and Links
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Miss Blake Interviews Chris Johnson
Chris Johnson has an Honors Degree in Psychology from London University, and a Masters Degree in Occupational and Organisational Psychology from the University of Surrey.Chris has been interested in the Seth material as well as related works for a number of years. His website: Counselling For Yourself offers a holistic approach to psychological healing, combining Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT), Kinesiology, and the "Getting Through" techniques of Phillip and Jane Mountrose. Chris also has a paper on Energy Psychology that can be found in the Sethnet Files Section.
MB: Greetings Chris, you are a long time member of Sethnet, could you tell me how you came across TSM ( The Seth material) and what the effect was on you at the time. Do you find as a body of work its validity has stood the test of other material that has come on to the market.
My father, Harry Johnson, introduced me to TSM when I was in my early 30s. At the time I was going through the break-up of my marriage and living with a friend and his wife and spending most evenings reading and re-reading 'Seth Speaks' and 'The Nature of Personal Reality.' Dad had given me the book 'The Seth Material' a year or so earlier, and I had been intrigued by its content, but had only really ingested it on an intellectual level.
'Seth Speaks' and 'The Nature of Personal Reality' began a process of assimilation of the ideas, rather than simply an understanding of the principles. These books stirred feelings and 'knowings' within me that eventually led to a constant form of excitement within me that was in deference to the profundity of their message.
As an Abraham aficionado might well know, feeling good is what it's all about. Excitement is a 'good' feeling, so I now appreciate how the Seth books literally rekindled my connection to Source Energy and All That Is. 'Validity' becomes an interesting concept when you attempt to compare the criteria required by science for validity to be achieved with the ultimate test of one's feeling of knowing something to be valid for YOU.
Indeed, familiarity with TSM, that is both understanding and assimilation of the ideas, stimulates inner senses as to what is valid (or fundamentally true to us all in this physical dimension) and what is valid or true to the individual in their focus upon reality (which is formulated from one's ever changing collection of beliefs.) From my own reading and investigations into messages from the non-physical realm, to me the Seth Material stands alone as the most comprehensive and most clearly expressed source of information on what 'All That Is' is all about.
The Elias material may well surpass its comprehensiveness eventually, and currently supplies us with further information about certain topics that the Seth Material does not expand upon fully. The Abraham material might be thought of as 'more clear' in its messages ~ more understandable to those that prefer the punch line to the reasoned definition. I enjoy the Abraham messages for their high degree of humour, which is an essential ingredient for communication.
Seth and Elias also use humour, but not quite in the same manner or extent as Abraham. Other characters that provide us with, in my opinion valid and expanding information, are Bashar (Darryl Anka), and Omni (John Payne.) There are quite a few others that basically put another slant or different perspective on what Seth has put forward already. As Seth himself explains, the message does not belong to him or any other 'speaker', it is a message that projects itself from Consciousness through the filtering stages of certain Essence personalities and then through certain focus personalities to our ears. It is the Perennial Philosophy that we are each awakening to in our own time and in our own choice of informant.
MB: The Elias transcripts are another substantial body of work. Some Seth readers warm to it, others reserve judgments..where do you stand? If it meets with your needs , how is that? Do you find any conflict between the two sets of work or have you found that Elias does fill in some gaps not addressed by TSM?
As I say above, the Elias transcripts have done a great job in expanding upon some areas where the Seth Material is scant on detail. The electromagnetic energy flow system of the body and the Families of Consciousness are topics that come to mind.
My initial introduction to the Elias information left me somewhat puzzled by its use of vocabulary and syntax. This can stir feelings of frustration or even anger as one initially reads through an Elias contribution. Unfortunately, for some this leads to ignoring the work as too demanding or even dismissing its content as invalid under the principle that "Sheesh, if he can't speak plain English when trying to get across these already demanding subjects, then the content is just as likely to be muddled."
As I mention above, and what got me over this rejection stage, was an understanding that THE message comes through various 'psychical' filtrations, and as a consequence can appear to be in a form that challenges one's beliefs about how communication is established. Getting frustrated or angry about Elias's method of communication is simply a message from your Inner Self that says that your beliefs about communication 'rules' are being challenged. Beliefs are there to be manipulated for one's own satisfaction. So, I accepted that Elias doesn't put things across the way I would prefer, but I wasn't going to let this put me off discovering whether his contribution to my understanding of things would be augmented.
Rather like when one first reads the Seth Material, there are times when you need to keep reading past a concept that challenges your beliefs. Particularly when the belief/s being challenged is a core one. You can always tell when you have a core belief under attack, you get somewhat agitated, a nervous sweat might break upon the brow, you might mumble "Yeah, right" or "Oh please", or, as we say in Blighty, "That's bollocks." I would suggest that the individual when encountering Elias for the first time be prepared to release some nervous energy occasionally whilst reading ~ an audible expression of "Oh, for fuck's sake" I find works well ~ but do read on. There are in fact many passages of good olde plain Englishe which elucidate matters extremely well. I am aware that some people suggest contradiction between some of what Elias has said and what has been said by Seth. I can only state that to my mind contradictions do not appear.
I can understand though that they may seem to be there as one reviews one's own filtered understanding of what Seth has said against what Elias appears to be saying. As an example, to me, Seth has always said quite clearly that in order to change the reality we have created for ourselves we need to change our beliefs. The operative word here is 'CHANGE.' Elias, however, says we don't have to change our beliefs to change our reality ~ we need to accept them. Yikes!! "But Seth said we have to change them, to different ones, get rid of the one's that don't work, didn't he? Accept them you say? Oh, for fuck's sake." This appeared to me at first to be the classic contradiction ~ which of my metaphysical sources had got it wrong, who had let me down? Which of them was a jerk?
Actually, with a less reactionary stance, and with careful consideration for my 'knowing' that both characters are offering valid information, I began to realise that 'accepting' a belief WAS 'changing' it. Being fully aware of a belief that is causing a problem for your reality, recognising it, accepting it, and, by intent, dissipating the (usually emotional) energy invested behind it, changes the impact the belief has upon one's creations. The belief doesn't particularly change, but the importance of it within the psyche does. The part it plays in the formulation of your reality changes to an insignificant one.
As Elias, and in fact Seth, both say, beliefs are independent energy forms that cannot be annihilated. They exist inside and outside of one's psyche. The individual chooses what beliefs they will entertain and how much energy he or she will invest in them. So, when contradictions occur, I tend to regard such instances as opportunities to go back and see if my interpretation of (i.e., my beliefs about) the message needs adjustment.
MB:The Abraham Archives is yet another body of work, do you feel it compares favorably with TSM?.....and of the three do you have a personal favorite?
The Abraham archives I tend to think of as Seth-lite. It is refreshingly un-intellectual at times and attempts to simplify the main thrust of the Message about the realities we form. In simplification there can be a tendency to misinterpret the concept being put forward, but generally speaking I think Abraham handles this admirably.
As mentioned earlier, the humour employed in many of Abraham's contributions is wonderful. I wonder if the humour aspect of the communications is more directly related to the sense of humour of the focus personality of the channeller than that of the channelled. I tend to think that Seth could have been more humorous if he wasn't being filtered through Jane. No offence Jane!
As to a favourite ~ no. Seth panders to my love of detail and breadth to achieving a fuller understanding. Elias fills in some important gaps for me with regard to my interests in the human energy system and health. He also brings in great subtlety of understanding ~ once one adjusts to the syntax. Abraham is great for dragging you back to the basics when you are becoming bogged down in the specifics.
MB: How far have you found you can take the core doctrine of YCYOR, does it present challenges to you in the day to day?
Nah... I've no problem creating exactly what I want all the time. ...... I wish! ..... It is all very well understanding the term 'You Create Your Own Reality' ~ the constant challenge in mine, and probably most people's lives though, is applying this understanding. The common element behind this challenge is the enormously radical concept that we are each responsible for the reality we create for ourselves. This is scary stuff for the much mollycoddled ego. Responsible for everything? Get outa here. And actually this is what one constantly needs to be aware of and adjusting to. The ever defensive, always shirking responsibility, ego.
YCYOR means responsibility for oneself, and this is a new thing to most egos. The notion that the reality 'out there' is created from 'within' me is something that the ego will take some time adjusting to ~ it may take more than a lifetime. I know there are a few Seth readers who are fairly confident that they create there immediately personal stuff ~ their relationships, their material items, their likes and dislikes, their choice of lunch. But there are many who have yet to come to terms with the nature of 'joint constructions' with one or with many others. There are more still that have egos that cannot fathom what part they can possibly play in mass creations.
In my day-to-day existence I maintain a vigilance over what I am creating for myself and what emotions I am feeling. I now know that the beliefs and thoughts I entertain in the now are used in attracting a probable reality to me in the future. I know that the reality of my now is as a result of what beliefs and thoughts I entertained in the past. I also know that if the thoughts and beliefs I entertain are not generating 'negative' emotion within me then I am doing fine in attracting my favoured realities to me. YCYOR is a challenge only to the ego. As one becomes aware of the truth of YCYOR, as one assimilates the principle into the overall structure of one's psyche, the challenge to the ego, the fear of the ego, dissipates ~ to be replaced by a growing excitement of possibility.
I too find it difficult to comprehend my own individual part in mass creations. I do know that I am important to mass creations and that when a seemingly 'negative' mass reality occurs this is part of the growing awareness for humankind that we create our own realities ~ part of a learning process that conforms to our collective choice of direction of learning. As an individual, I would prefer to learn without intensely painful drama, thank you very much. For the species though, I am aware that our collective consciousness goes with the flow of contemporary psychological constructs ~ the majority believing that you can't change something without a bit of drama or angst!
MB:What one does to 'earn' a living is one of those very practical aspects of creating the reality one wants. What do you do Chris and how did you come to your career choice?
One of the trickiest things about dealing with the notion that one creates one's own reality is that one is constantly reminded by the environment that such an idea is nonsense. For most people their place of work is an area of their lives where they are forever fed 'popular' beliefs and ideas. A lot of time is spent wallowing in this quagmire of conventionality. And the ego, due to its fear of what might happen to us if we don't spend lots of time 'earning' a living, spends its time attempting to quash any radical thoughts that might suggest that 'living' does not need to be earned. Under the Sethian principle of 'if it's not fun, don't do it', I extricated myself from a career in the leisure industry in 1993 and went back to full-time education.
I studied psychology, as much of what Seth is talking about stems from the nature of the psyche. I wanted to apply my knowledge of psychology in combination with my knowledge of the metaphysical literature in a way that would be of benefit to others, knowing that we are all part of a magnificent 'Shift' in the collective consciousness of humankind. What I 'do' now is follow this path of assisting others in their lives. Conventional terminology would refer to me as a psychotherapist, although this is really a misnomer as what I hopefully do is assist people in their conveyance of Universal Energy through their system of Self. (Gosh! .... That sounds great doesn't it?!)
Of course, most people I see have 'problems' which they have no idea has something to do with their belief systems. And they would die laughing if I would just come out and say, "Actually, you are constricting the flow of Energy through your system of Self because you are holding energy behind inappropriate thought patterns." I hopefully come at the 'problem' by way of THEIR beliefs (this is something that Elias mentions as being very important in assisting someone who has a problem) and by using 'rituals' from semi-conventional (but not too alarming) methods of approach, help them to release 'held' energy, and reformulate their patterns of thought (i.e., beliefs.)
At the moment, doing this does not bring me great abundance. So, with a wary eye on not getting too involved with the environment of the work place, I do a number of other part-time jobs, from exam invigilation at the local college, to working with the National Health Service in their scheme to get people to quit smoking. I am eternally grateful to my partner Judy for going out into the big bad environment and 'earning' a living for the both of us.
In my position I realise how difficult it is for her to entertain such beliefs as YCYOR when she is surrounded by an environment that says otherwise. I am grateful to her not only for a very acceptable level of abundance, but for allowing me to remain apart from the cloying fears of convention and pursue a path that expands, rather than petrifies, my thought processes.
MB: How satisfying have your choices been so far ? Do you have any future expansion plans in this area. You have spoken of the desire to to '..amalgamate the metaphysical information into a therapeutic approach that is more readily acceptable to a populous embedded within conventional belief systems.' could you go into a more detail regarding what this would involve.
I am particularly satisfied with my choice to 'get out of the rat race' as it were, and start living the principles of conscious reality creation. Obviously I am still making choices that appear to be 'wrong'. In actuality nothing is wrong, one is simply taking a path of learning that has challenges along it ~ these are designed to expand one's ability to make 'better' choices. As Abraham would say, 'You can't get it wrong, you are exactly where you are meant to be along your path of development, the only work you need to do is make sure you reach out for that which makes you feel good."
I intend to develop my 'therapeutic' practice next year as I have some money to invest in it following the death of my mother. Once I have an established name in the therapy field I will be more able to introduce procedures and exercises that may appear to come from me, but in actuality will be adapted from suggestions and exercises given in the metaphysical literature. I also intend to write more on what 'therapy' should be about, and how it should be practiced, based on what suggestions are given in the metaphysical literature. I read somewhere once that if you want to become an authority on something then you need to become an author (author-ity.) So I intend to write more and look for publication.
The remark 'more readily acceptable to a populous embedded within conventional belief systems' stems from some clear suggestions from Elias that make one aware that in order to change anything (i.e., the way in which you assist others to live a more satisfying life) within an individual, one needs to empathise with their belief structures first and adapt one's own to complement the 'healing' situation. You gain trust from the other's ego by talking their language first. You are then able to gradually introduce ideas and behaviours to them that hopefully will not be rejected by their defensive-to-change ego.
I haven't worked out the complete model of approach yet, but we are talking about a method of 'therapy' that circumvents the defensive ego and then allows the person's Inner Self to come forward and progress the healing process without too much interference from the ego. Simple really!!
MB:Does knowing what you know about how reality and disease is created present any specific challenges to you when dealing with clients who clearly do not know consciously that they are the architects of their aliments...do you ever feel frustrated? Burn out is a common consequence of being a health practitioner. What are your views on this?
Of course there is an element of frustration in all of this. But frustration is a feeling that brings a message about one's own beliefs. And if start to become frustrated it is more to do with my own beliefs about how good I am at this, or maybe how I feel about the individual I am with ~ ego based fears. I try to remember that each individual will get it when it is right for them to get it.
There is no race going on here. The rate and capacity for change are governed by that person's Inner Self. Some may take a life-time to 'get it'. I do know that by coming to see me, by our interaction, more goes on telepathically than by any ritual of communication I might adopt. 'Burn out' would in my opinion be because of the health practitioner's inability to come to terms with certain beliefs regarding the efficacy of their intervention method.
A build up of energy behind an errant belief in what is supposed to happen in the healing process would be the burn out culprit. Fundamentally, you can't help anyone. You can only suggest to them ideas and practices that may assist them in their quest for wellness. They alone have the power to heal themselves ~ they may perhaps employ some of the suggestions you have made.
MB: Of all the Seth books , if you were on a desert island and you could only have one , which would it be? If you were also allowed four other items one t include a piece of music and one to include a luxury item what would that be?
'The Nature of Personal Reality,' the musical piece would probably be something from Vivaldi's 'Four Seasons', probably 'Spring.' My luxury item would be a nasal hair trimmer. Two other things? Hmmmmmm. A Harem of lovely ladies who are constantly employed to invigorate and massage my physical body. (Is that a luxury item again?) And a bunch of like-minded friends to spend time riffing with.
MB: If you could ask Jane one question what would that be?
Hey babe, have you ever thought of being a blonde? Sorry .... Probably something to do with how much she was able to implement the principles of the Material in her own life.
MB:Do you have a secret passion,or pastime? If so, are you going to tell us or will it remain a forever a secret?
Yes. No. Yes.
MB:Chris, thank you so much for your openness and candor, your website can be accessed at: Counselling for Yourself.
Any further questions from the membership can be sent to chris@counsellingforyourself.co.uk
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In Memorium: Thomas Doerflinger
Army Spc Thomas Doerflinger was a twenty year old soldier killed in Iraq last month. He was the cousin of long time listmember Jan Hart, who shared her feelings with the list as she dealt with this tragic event. The staff of the SNJ extends its deepest sympathies to all family and friends of Thomas.
From: jan hart
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 8:52 AM
Has finally hit close to home.
My 2nd cousin, Thomas Doerflinger, was killed in action in Mosul. He'd been in Iraq less than 30 days.
He is ONLY TWO MONTHS older than my son, D'Artagnon.
When will mothers refuse to send their children to fight?
Love and Light to All!
Namaste,
Jan the Saddened
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Various replies and condolescences expressed.
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From: jan hart
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 2:20 PM
I can't express the gratitude I am feeling to all of you for your thoughts and presence. I feel it is time to wave my freak flag. I have been too complacent regarding this whole war. To make _myself_ (selfish me) feel better I am going to begin attending war protests.
I have told myself that I don't have the time.....but that is just an excuse. I DO have the time.....and it needs to be done. I feel like "An American Idiot"......and thank Is for people like the guys in Green Day!!!!!! I have no desire to be a part of a redneck agenda :o) At any rate......this is sad......I am floored this happened....... My Heart goes out to all have lost a loved one.....whether by war, drugs, crime......whatever...... Thank you ALL for your thoughts and well wishing.
Blessings of Peace to All of Us!
Jan
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From: jan hart
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:46 PM
I did see Thomas' name on TV, they said it was in Mosel and it was a single gun shot ambush.
Where is it that Seth says a bunch about being killed by a counterpart? Whether he helped to make the gun, the bullet or pulled the trigger?
Namaste,
Jan
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Jan responds to Love John:
At any rate, whether I march for peace or war....the bottom line is it is a reflection of me and my mourning and how I care to address it.
In all honesty I didn't go to an anti-war or a pro-peace rally yesterday.....but I did go to a Save the Forest meeting.
Did I believe wholeheartedly in what they were saying?.....well......no.
But it gave me time to reflect on Thomas. He comes from a family of Catholic lobbyists in WA DC.
So.....perhaps you can see that any action taken on my part (in protest that is) is solely for me......because while Leanne is sad her son died.....she is also, imo, sickenly proud her son died for this country. Makes me want to puke. I flat out told my sons if they joined I would take a crowbar to their knees while they slept (nice mom, huh!).
A course I was bawling my head off while I told them this......and they believed me.
That's really all I wanted. Assurances from my own children that they would not go off to fight....
They are amazing kids and completely understood me....which made me feel beyond better.
I don't pretend to understand my cousin Leanne......but I do understand my heart....I raised my boys with TSM.....if they went to the military I personally would feel that I didn't raise them properly!!!
At any rate.....this rambles and only makes indirect sense John.....but I hope you get my meaning!!!!
Peace Dude :o)
Jan
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WE ARE EVERYTHING
And we all shall stand under the
Starlit sky,beholding the heavens,
Feeling the awesomeness of the Gestalts of our thoughts,
And we shall KNOW we are everything
Yes!We are everything!
- KUNLE
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A Sethian Praxis by Paul Helfrich
The following Sethian Praxis was compiled by Paul Helfrich in response to a list members questions about what order should be placed for the many exercises Seth presents throughout his books. This is by no means an "official listing" but one that Paul has used succesfully in his own life.
The "order" that Jane presented goes something like this:
The Seth Material (great conceptual foundation as interpreted by Jane)= 2 practices
Seth Speaks (Seth’s classic, widens the foundation in TSM) = 6 practices
The Nature of Personal Reality (THE New Age YCYOR classic, builds on all previous) = 12 practices
The "Unknown" Reality, Vol. 1/2 (THE dream-art scientist's handbook) = 17 practice elements, the only Seth book with ordered practices and NO chapters.
That's one "path", and it's the one I took from 1976-1980, since the books came out in that order during this period.
I would also throw in The Oversoul Seven Trilogy, as it provides a fun, relaxing storyline that uses ALL the basic concepts in ways that get through to the subconscious mind.
I consider that a basic introduction, and it mirrors the original order of publication, though there's no best way to do this, I don't think it's any accident that the material and practices came out in this sequence.
In the clarity of sweet dreams.
Paul H.
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manifest
by Dan Scranton
your dreams, they will be manifest
they are in fact right now
to make them all come true for you
you first must open your eyes
the worlds that we all manifest
are right in front of us
to change them we must change ourselves
the projectors need new film
but if you block your projections
you?ll block your heart?s desires
sit back, relax, and enjoy the show
it?s by you, for you, you know
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Coordination Points
by Bill Ingle
Dan:
I find the idea of CP's fascinating, so if you get the time, please do elaborate!
John:
Dear Bill,
May I 'second' that! I have, of course, read what Seth says about CPs. However, partly due to my concentration in other areas, and the thought that they do not really signify in my life, I have not paid them much attention.
Bill:
CPs remain something of an oddity in Seth’s teachings, John, for a number of reasons. (Note that one reason they appeal to me is that immediate experience is absolutely necessary when dealing with them, as the abstract concepts associated with them are virtually meaningless when taken alone -- some kind of inner sensing is required here.)
I am a little confused by the concept as far as I understand it -and this does touch on our ongoing debate. If, as I understand Seth to say, I am creating my own *physical* reality, and even have my own, personal, spacetime-continuum in which to do it, just how do CPs 'exist' in physical space, or in specific physical locations, when I have not 'put' them there, so to speak?
"Exactly," I might say. There are all kinds of ways we can imagine this, and I don't claim these imaginings to be any more than tools, nor do I claim to thoroughly understand this area. There is something here, however, which seems (in some ways like gravity, perhaps) to exist no matter what we might believe about them. (Did you "put" gravity in your personal continuum?)
Gravity is everywhere within physical reality (or at least, if we ignore Newton and those who followed him, everywhere within any place we can personally stand within physical reality on earth), however, whereas Seth’s teachings suggest this is not necessarily true with coordination points. (I say 'not necessarily' only because I am sure his treatment of the subject is for beginners -- us -- and not for "experts" of the distant past or future; they would likely have access to vast tomes of technical literature and endless full & careful descriptions of all possible subjective effects and techniques for creating such; maybe they would suggest Seth’s excellent beginner's explanation is oversimplified in some ways.)
In asking this, I DO undertand that CPs are not physical things -but that only seems to raise the whole question of how can anything non-physical 'exist' in a physical location.
I could say "exactly" again. These are mysterious, now, aren't they?
And then last, but not least, just what IS a CP, and what role do
they play?
My understanding of the topic is always changing in the light of experience.
First, I would say that we do create coordination points, but that this creation is somehow different from the majority of our physical creations.
Just as each of us creates our own version of the sun or moon in specific and highly defined locations (for example -- you do not create a version of the moon which is in some unexpected orbit; your moon, too, agrees with all of the collective knowledge about it -- it is the right size and shape, has craters in the "right" places, and so on) we seem to create these CPs in specific locations too.
There are two major differences:
1.) They aren't truly "physical" in the way the sun or moon is, as you mention;
2.) They are hardly as well understood as either of those two celestial bodies, primarily because they aren't truly "physical" -- while Lucrezia Borgia can look up and see the moon at the right time and place in her reality, the same can't be said for the various CPs in her reality.
So these are mysteries, then, requiring inner sensing and the
collection of large amounts of "data."
This is not likely to happen, either, in the mainstream world, simply because few in that belief zone know or believe in CPs.
Instead, the study of CPs must begin with those who both believe in their existence and are willing to notice whatever effects they seem to have, both subjective and "objective," and then this must be shared.
This is a realm which is connected with any number of pre-existing and mostly "non-scientific" areas, as for example "dowsing," "chakras," and things like "ley-lines," "powerpoints," "sacred locations," and what-not, all of which have long traditions dating back millennia.
(There is the possibility, too, of accumulating "scientific" or "objective" data, too, if you read what little Seth has to say about them closely.)
If you read the opening GCPE page at Reality Test, you'll see what happened when some Cybersethians believed channelled information regarding the location of a Main CP Seth never mentioned -- the one in New York City's Central Park.
Was "William" pulling a fast one on me when he, through my friend Ki's ouijaboard, told me about this CP? Did he know I'd believe him, and then believing him, convince others and share a creation of that CP?
Perhaps there already was something in Central Park, something strange and unusual, but it's very likely that a number of us who then visited the park expecting such created a new "something" which somehow used or built upon that pre-existing something.
It's too bad we didn't go straight to Hyde Park in London in 2001 with exactly the same expectations. Who knows what might have transpired had we done so, and had all read the channelled Nabet's item beforehand.
All that I know for sure is that something strange happened to a number of participants of that first Great Coordination Point Expedition, something which cannot be denied.
As related on the site, this wasn't noticed until after the expedition, after folks had returned to their homes.
The key to this was how a number of these folks definitely felt high, but without ingesting any hallucinogenic substances; further, at least four of these folks experienced definite and very pronounced "psychic accelerations" -- two began a form of channelling for the very first time in their lives after sitting down at their computers, expecting to write "normal" posts.
Those experiences were all highly subjective, of course, but it's very difficult to deny their validity. (Note that Dale Evans, one of those present who shared this experience, later became an Elias enthusiast and can be found posting away on one of the Elias lists.)
What we have then, again, is a mystery requiring active exploration. Not only must we physically travel to a suitable location (and just how shall we determine that, save via channelling or intuition?) but we must also utilize our inner senses, much as in Seth’s exercise for localizing the subordinate CPs found in any room.
That's what I like about these things. You can speculate about them endlessly from your desk chair (and I most certainly do) but to really get into them you must actually get off your duff and go somewhere.
Further, you can do this by yourself, but then who will believe you, afterwards? It's much better if a group travels to a location (but what if the resulting experience is simply some kind of group hypnosis or mass hysteria?).
I love it. This CP concept of Seth’s is right in that zone we have so much difficulty wrapping our minds around and combines any number of other concepts in the teachings, while providing endless fruit for travel, adventure, and pondering, just as I posted so long ago on Sethworks Digex when I was just imagining a bunch of us scouring the planet for the "Main" versions of these things.
Minimora
(Ooops! I mean Bill I.)
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Prophet Moment
by Paul Venard
Dad did differently, that day,
Said, "Wanna go fishing?"
I was put to the task
Catching grasshoppers,
(Came naturally.)
Leapers and I bathed in sun,
Playing our life and death game.
Summer reigned, eye-hurt bright,
With fluttering wings, pouncing boy.
Had I caught the poor bastard,
Or did he get away,
When that familiar spirit hit me again--
The backhand of a future nothingness?
Standing in the grass, I froze in place.
I did not like what I felt. I objected to it.
It said my white-smocked dreams were not to be,
That the years to come led elsewhere.
I shrugged and chased grasshoppers,
Cupped them carefully in my hands and
Watched them puke their oil-slick chaw,
And we drove away to a mountain stream.
Soon sleek fish found themselves
Yanked out of physical focus
By the lip.
They slimed us and we stank of them.
Part Two
The night wore low-hanging clouds,
Making soft drizzling love with the earth,
As I took a moment to take it all in,
Between probe buttons.
The grasshopper moment was long gone,
Forty years buried,
Along with one dream after another,
And there I stood in the rain,
"Watson Agency" on one jacketed arm,
Old Glory on the other.
I gloried in the crisp night air.
I sucked it in hard.
I let it go.
Just like so many things
Should be let go.
Constantly.
As soon as you let it be
The chase is on!
What fear had a boy known?
Fear of nothingness!
I spoke to that boy'd been me,
Said, "See, it's not so bad!"
That now I had sight,
I might never have had,
White-smocked,
"Successful."
The princess night flowed,
Caressed,
Played puddles and lamps,
Loved without pause.
In distant sunshine,
I grinned and chased 'hoppers,
While from the night
I wished my white-smocked self well.
--Paul 128etc., 11-18-04
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Secondhand God
by Miss Blake
Buckminster Fuller said something like this:
"Why not meet God directly? Why take someone else's story about hearing someone else's story as your own religious experience? If you are inclined to meet God why not go out and look the fellow up? Why take some else's word for what God is like?"
Substitute 'God' for 'Being an Artist', being a writer, a dreamer, even being a person. When I watch my fellow humans still bowing before an old man in white robes in Rome, supposedly the embodiment of God's will on earth,l marvel at the structures humans live within and call real. It could only ever work if in the infinity of lifetimes , this was but one, yet I still question if ego development and the experience of the earth plane requires such bizarre beliefs regarding the nature of self. Could we not have incarnated with with a little more awareness of where we are from and what we are ,intact?
A reason I have taken the study of dream art science enthusiastically ,is that it is my sure through-route to the Self that I am pre and during this incarnation. Much as dream symbology interests me ,if it were only that, I could as well spend my time reading the symbology of the stars. This experience and experiment....earth plane incarnation ...seems to be a grand exercise in forgetting. I am coming to a personal conclusion that this forgetting does not enhance the process. I am inclined to think rather, that 'it must have seemed like a good idea at the time'.
I read Seth again and again .I marvel at what I read today that was 'not' there yesterday. In truth I know it is an aspect of me that is here today that I was unaware of yesterday. Listening to a favorite raging debate yesterday evening ' The role of the modern artist in society today' , it felt like a dream I walked in or woken up within ,It certainly had something of the surreal to it.
They/we were arguing for _something_ , the right to _something_? But what? What were the rules in an age of 'Me-Art' and Me-Artists' one man spat out that the artists of his age ( as in the Now) had become 'imbecilic narcissists' . He was not without support. Yet what was his case, other than that increasingly artists chose to create as they chose, not according to some dusty Greek cannon , not as ordained by Papaji in the white robes in Rome and not according the elitism of The Academy.
The desire for Self expression is sufficient cause for the modern artist to put paintbrush to canvas and many no longer feel an obligation to society or a great need to be understood by the viewer .Their status as Artist is legitimized by themselves Their art has become as personal as their dreams and who really looks to another to tell one how to dream..or how to know God? Some do I know , but there is a distinct 'no vote' in some when it comes to being told-be an Artist thus or know God thus.
Who or what will tell and guide the artist?. How is she to create if she or he does not even have the humility to understand that she or he is 'divinely inspired,and gifted'.The booming voice of Authority states: "No Artist creates", it is all down to God through her, God's gifts bestowed upon her. The thread in last evenings debate was an empassioned plea for The Artist to know her place.The debate, at its core says - we do not create our reality -, not our own art,not even the textures and colors of our own lives . We exist but only by the Grace of God. But what if that idea of God in dead? How is the 'idea of God' compatible with Ycyor?
To know oneself as responsible for creating ones own reality in what ever form to me has meant stepping cognitively into the place that once was occupied by that 'God idea'. I cannot bring it back, though I do miss the mystical poetry of it .
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Cumming Poems
by Anjha
I am dripping wet with poetry.
It shoots from me ?
a cascading explosion of All That Is,
onto the back of the world.
I want to turn her over,
so that she can see what it is that is cumming from me;
I want her to experience its salty truth -
somewhere deep inside,
I still feel that the earth is not yet ready for me.
So, I let it build.
I let it quiver and shake With-In,
until I cannot hold it any longer -
a constant multiple orgasm of words
and metaphors and Desires...
the alphabet is stuck between my legs
and it is constantly urging its way through me
in this anticipation of climax
that flows and flows and flows.
From me, it drips incessantly-
I carry tissue wherever I go
and there is nothing I can do but continue
to masturbate on this keyboard
and keep my Love affair a secret.
I have no desire for real touch
from the man who sleeps next to me.
Instead I Desire the touch of my Muse
and what he has done for me
with these words
that taunt and quiver and flow and explode.
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Gycen Session on the choice of the election: An Autowriting by John McNally
Hi Everyone,
After I sent my brave new world post this morning, I began to pick up bits and pieces from Gycen, my non-physically focused friend. The first bit was "you would have been very disappointed by a Kerry presidency" which was interesting, but not too surprising really. I finally allowed myself a few minutes of quiet to let the information come through. It was specifically written, not just for me, but to be shared with everyone who reads it as well.
The bottom paragraph was an aside which I had tapped into, but didn't include at first. Anyone who has channeled or done autowriting probably knows that feeling of tapping into all sorts of related information as you go on. I remember Jane Roberts writing about this at some point. I included it at the end because of its relevance to the subject matter.
Enjoy,
John M
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Gycen
You opened up the channel today, which is excellent. From my end, thechannel is virtually always open, since "time" has no meaning for us. Smile.
You need, repeat NEED to open this telepathic channel more often, it is the key area where you are denying yourself right now, not just with me, but with your connection to the greater whole around you as well. The time to "go it alone" is over, its time to reconnect and let your unique voice add its power to the whole.
The election: You tuned in a bit today, so you are starting to see the "why" of your creation, but I'll help you spell it out anyway. This is indeed a "dark time" as you have felt it, although not in the dire sense as some have proclaimed. You, and others have chosen to walk in the dark right now, mainly because you are equipped with "flashlights" (cosmically speaking that is) which dispel the shadows, but also illuminate the "monsters" in the dark.
The biggest monster, of course is Fear. You jump at your own fears which is natural, fixating on them afterwards is not. The election going "the wrong way" scares you, that's all well and good, but don't let fear be your motivational force or you will only give the monster more energy.
The "why" of your creation is simple: You need inspiration to become more creative. You may not think its true, but you are more creative in adversity than you are complacency. When things are "going your way" you are not motivated. I know you believe that things are "too hard" lately, but I assure you this is not the case. You are the creator here and YOU are far stronger than you give yourself credit for.
As for the question of this being the "wrong" reality, the answer is both yes and no. Of course you can never experience the "wrong" reality any more than you could not experience being yourself; it's an extension of YOU, so it can't be "wrong."
However, the "you" of you has stacked the deck, and has done so to inspire you. This is what you were perceiving earlier, but you were separating it from yourself. "There are no separations of the self." Seth said this and it is one of his most profound and unfiltered messages. You ARE in touch with these deeper layers of the self, and although you may feel uncomfortable, its because that's exactly how you want to feel right now. Life, as you know it isn't always meant to be "comfortable" particularly if comfort is equal to complacency.
You are a Speaker, as is everyone who reads this message. All of you are Speakers of your own inner truth. Sometimes truth can be discovered in easy, comfortable circumstances, but more often its discovered by walking through the darkest corridors of selfhood, and illuminating the monsters within.
You have a voice, one that you are not expressing to its fullest potential. Particularly, in your (John's) case this is not only in your writing (which you hide from through "work") but in your own graphic abilities as well. You are not less of an artist than Kristen or Tom [a friend of ours] in any way, its time to shed that inhibition and begin to express yourself graphically as well as in the written word. Each person reading this has suppressed talents as well, telepathy has guided you to this message and I encourage you explore those areas you have neglected.
Telepathy, you see is the real "weapon" against fear and ignorance. Telepathy gets people (like yourself tonight) in touch with their inner selves and their inner truths. In your current Framework, one of the factors which has given your reality its cohesion is that everyone is to some extent, denying their natural telepathic abilities. You and your friends have actually taken great strides in accepting these natural abilities, that is why things feel "wrong" right now.* You are consciously aware of an imbalance. It is an imbalance that each of you has chosen to create individually, and to share as well.
Developing your telepathy on a more conscious level is paramount right now. Your ESP experiments have been helpful here, you should continue with them, perhaps narrowing the choice of objects for a while. You thought of using tarot cards again, this would be an excellent choice, since many of your friends have tarot decks as well.
Another good exercise is a variation of the "impulse journal." Keep track of any odd thoughts, images, or even songs that pop into your mind during your day. Some thoughts, you will realize may have come from a co-worker or nearby person, but many will be connections to your friends, your family, or loved ones. Some connections will be to those who are no longer "alive" as well. These connections are always available and open, becoming aware of them is the first step towards using them more effectively.
Don't underestimate the importance of these exercises within the framework of your own lives. Each of you is connected to every other being, living, "dead" or otherwise. Smile. The more you are "in touch" with your greater self, the more telepathy will flow consciously.
You have chosen to impact the physical world as you perceive it, this is something you "want" to do, particularly in a positive manner. The more you develop your conscious telepathy, the more honest you will become, not only with yourself, but with the feelings and thoughts of those around you. This will be reflected in your own art, your own inner voice as it expresses itself to the universe. Each voice makes a difference, YOUR voice makes a difference so step up to the microphone and sing your heart's out!
*We, as Ragon is here now as well, wanted to add our congratulations to Kristen on her succesful out of body experiences and extend it her friends as well.. This involves another function of telepathy,
although it may not seem like it from a physical perspective.
Telepathy forms the bridge for you to meet in non-physical locales.
We also encourage you to drop by and visit us as well, it is no
different from meeting up with any of your other friends.
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When You Know That You Are You
by Cain
When you know that you are you, the world opens from a wound into an
embrace of sun on flower, and the horizon that confused with
distance now holds the heartbeat of this moment until the inner echo
becomes sound and the eternal music defining this race of being
elongates like an unfurling tongue to lap water in a desert untasted
for many arid days of travel to this place where you know you have
become you in love.
respectfully, cain
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PROBABLE SETHWEB: Sethweb Becomes Seth-Abe
For those still unaware of what took place, the group
Sethweb is now called Seth-Abe. Here is the new group
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The SHIFT
A Time of Change
Compiled by David Tate
Official UK Publication Date ? 25 October 2004
The Definitive Reference Guide to The Shift in Consciousness
We are all aware of a shift taking place in our world. What we don?t know are the ramifications of this shift. This new book is about this event that is occurring to every individual on this planet. The Shift: A Time of Change (published by Contact Publishing Ltd, 25 October 2004; ISBN 0954702018) embodies this powerful new age in which we live and explains the seemingly invisible forces at play in our world today, gives the information we all need to navigate ourselves and that we can harness the power in this new era. It is termed a shift in consciousness.
This is not a political book, but it offers a groundbreaking explanation that could very well rock the world of politics. According to Elias, by 2075 governments will be nothing more than administrators.
This is not an economics book, and yet it is bold enough to question the value of finance and points out how currently we measure our worth according to paper and coins. Again, it explains that by 2075 the stock market and money as we currently know it will not exist.
This is not a science book, yet it discusses light-speed and how this is child?s play to what we are all capable of...and again points out that by the mid-point of our century, what appears to be science fiction will become science fact. Time space travel will be accomplished and we will be travelling at light-speed.
"David Tate has done a fantastic job compiling an introduction to the essential information offered by Mary Ennis and Elias. The Shift: A Time of Change sets the stage for an individual and collective view of the social, economic, moral, and spiritual challenges we now face on a global scale. The central message is that our future is a matter of choice, not chance, and that our personal growth and fulfillment inevitably result in global transformation." -- Paul M. Helfrich, Ph.D., of NewWorldView.com, Sethnet and the Elias Forum.
Anet Paulina, author of Transcend the Aging Process, says, ?What Elias does is offer specific, practical information about HOW we create our reality?and how we can more easily manifest it in alignment with our desires. Of the plethora of metaphysical writings available today, I?ve found Elias?s information to be the most accurate and useful.? And about the book itself, she says, ?In The Shift: a Time of Change, David Tate has done a superb job of compiling and organising excerpts from the growing body of Elias material. I highly recommend this book.?
The Shift: A Time of Change-2nd edition gives us a glimpse of the coming reality.
The shift is already happening...it is just a matter of understanding it.
This new expanded version of The Shift: A Time of Change-2nd edition is a compilation of over 1,000 transcripts that have been delivered by Elias/Mary Ennis since 1995. This book encompasses the gems of that information that addresses everyone on the planet and is the definitive reference guide to the shift in consciousness. This second edition includes new material on Mass Beliefs and also includes further information throughout portions of the book for more clarity and understanding.
To order The Shift: A Time of Change-2nd ed.: You may order it at any UK bookstore or for US residents you can order it from Amazon.co.uk:Click here to order.
Publisher: Contact Publishing Ltd.
Unit 346, 176 Finchley Road, London NW3 6BT
Tel & Fax: 020 7794 1999
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Cool Conscious Creation Resources on the Web
2004 Conscious Creation Calendar of Events
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The Elias forum - website by Paul & Joanne Helfrich contains an expansion of many of the conscious creation concepts introduced by Seth/Jane Roberts, channeled by Mary Ennis.
What if the Seth material was a foundation to be expanded later by other channeled sources? Can any perennial source ever be considered complete AND infallible?
Seth readers will want to check out:
Introduction & Overview
A Seth, Elias Comparative Overview (Updated!)
Digest: Seth, Jane Roberts
The Kris Chronicles - an expansion of many of the conscious creation concepts introduced by Seth/Jane Roberts, channeled by Serge Grandbois.
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