Saturday, January 01, 2005 
Volume Four
In this Issue:
Miss Blake interviews Donald R. Johnson (donreally)
Tis the Season [To All] by Wendy Jones de Geofroy
What Would You Do With $20 Million?
compiled by Paul Helfrich
One Man's Devil Black Spider is Another Woman's Harmless Black Argiope? by Wendy Jones de Geoffroy
Desperately Seeking David by Miss Blake
Nightwatch by Donald R. Johnson
Tis the Season to be Humble by Richard Deming
The Unkown Reality Vol I & II Book Review by Bobby Matherne
Miss Blake interviews Donald R. Johnson
Donald R. Johnson (known to most Sethnet members as Don or "donreally") is 46 years old, lives in Ann Arbor, Michagan with his wife (sorry ladies) 3 kids and their cat. Don started reading TSM in 1979 but took a number of years off to pursue Jesus, and now is in the process of making up for lost time. He left the computer industry to run own cleaning business, but still fixes computers for fun.
Don is also the founder of the NAGEW Yahoo Group which focuses on New Age poetry and writing. He also recently launched his own website: OtherFocus.com
MB:Greetings Don.
Hi Miss Blake!
MB: When you look at your self in the mirror what manner of man do you see?...When you look at yourself from within (or sense your own feeling tone) what do you sense about yourself . Is there a difference between the two readings of self and if so what do you feel accounts for it?
When I look in the mirror, I see someone who is older than I am. I see imperfections. I see things that I would like to change. I see a couple of bright eyes, however.
When I look within, I am a different person. I am a kind person, an explorer, someone who finds new lands, but does not settle in them. I always want to know what is behind a hill, or at the bottom of a hole or in the depths of a lake.
I turn this curiosity inwards and search for new inner worlds that have no end. I search for the source and for the source of that source.
The two me's are different, as they must be. The inner me is not physical and does not know physical boundaries.The physical me is the body I have chosen to carry me around in this physical world. It is a part of me that can be expressed here. It is like a car: a vehicle's style does not always express the style of the owner.
My inner self does not always show well in the body. Sometimes, what I intend as a friendly smile, is seen as a smirk by others.
MB: Where were you in your life when you encountered the work of Jane Roberts? Did it resonate with you immediately or did you have to return to it over a number of months or even years before it began to make sense?
I was 21 years old and was sort of drifting through life. I held menial jobs and did not like my life. I had studied Physics, Astrology, Astronomy, Magic and Philosophy but was not satisfied with the answers to my questions about reality.
One day, in a bookstore, the title "The Nature of Personal Reality" caught my eye. I really hoped the title was an accurate description of the contents. I started reading it and thought "Oh no, I've heard this crap before (YCYOR).But I kept reading it and soon it started to make sense. When Seth started talking about a multidimensional universe as being personal rather than just an abstract concept for physicists, I was hooked. So, at some point during my first reading of NOPR, it resonated and made perfect sense. I had always thought there was more to life than meets the eye and Seth was just the guy to explain it to me. Something about his manner of speaking is perfectly suited to my way of thinking.
MB: What was your reaction when the implications of YCYOR hit home, I am assuming here that it has? Has it or do you feel that the simplicity of the statement 'you create your own reality' belies how complex it can be?
I should have YCYOR tattoed on the back of my hand! Just when I think I am doing alright, I find another instance of me believing someone or something has power over me. My acceptance of YCYOR has been a gradual thing and it never hit home all at once. On my other hand I would like to tattoo "The present is the point of power" or just POP.
I think that it really is a simple thing, or should be, but by the time we encounter this concept, we have much unlearning to do. We have all been brought up to believe in limitations, and to really manifest YCYOR we have to get rid of those incorrect beliefs.
How many times has Seth said "You create your own reality. It's that simple." or something similar? So. The reality of YCYOR is simple, but for us, getting there can be a complex matter.
MB: Do you find any other material useful and or compatible with the seth material? What were you reading before TSM? Do you have a view point on any of the leading lights on the new age circuit?
About a year before I read NOPR, I read "The Silva Mind Control Method" (SMC) by Jose Silva. This is a great book and I still use techniques I learned from that book. I know there are several Sethnet members who have read this book and/or taken the course. That is the only pre-Seth material that I trust.
As far as the other personalities in the New Age arena, I have read some of the Elias material. I sense that it is valid but have not read enough of it to be fair about it.
I have had two private sessions with Kris and have found both Kris and Serge to be friendly and helpful. I hope to talk to Kris again; his personality has grown on me.
I know next to nothing about any of the others so I cannot comment about them.
MB: What do you know now that you wish you had known 20 or even 10 years ago? What difference would it have made, do you think?
20 years ago, I wish I had known that certain women think I am good looking (poor blind creatures)! I would have had a lot more dates.
Really though, that is not so wrong. Like many young people, I thought that I looked weird or sounded weird or was weird. I would like to add a truism to Seth’s YCYOR and POP:
"Be True to Yourself"
If we are true to ourselves than we can be our Selves and people will find more to like about us and we'll be happier too.
So, that one, and Seth’s "It's a safe universe".
If I had known and believed those two things, much fear would have been avoided. Fear is the thing that kills you slowly.
Who knows what difference it would have made? Would I have won the lottery? The Nobel Prize? At the very least, I would have lived more happily and that makes all the difference, doesn't it?
MB: Do you recall your dreams?
To some extent. I do not remember all of my dreams but I remember quite a bit. I recall enough to reinforce my belief that the universe is a very large and wacky place. I remember dreams of other focuses and probable me's. My dreams, generally, tend to change focus over a period of years. Lately, they seem to take place in a probable past. In those dreams, I am me, I drive the same cars I used to drive and I know many of the same people I used to know, but the events are different. Maybe this is just what I choose to focus on in dreams and what I choose to remember. I have many other dreams as well but these stand out.
Keeping a dream journal does help but usually I wake up because someone wakes me up and then I don't have time to write them down before the details fade.
MB: How important is creative expression in your life? What form does it take and why do you feel you are particularly suited to that form?
Creative expression is everything; it makes my life interesting.
It has taken various forms over the years. Right now I am exploring by writing. I've always been good at technical writing but now I am striving to allow my inner self to show it's influence in my writing. That's where the poetry comes in. It's not that great but I never used to be able to do it at all and I enjoy it. Am I particularly suited to that form? I have explored other avenues of creative expression but writing is more fun. I have a good imagination and some small ability. Also, Kris said that I might be able to produce some interesting material if I develop certain abilities.
MB: How important do you feel love is to your value fulfillment?
For all that has been said about love, I am not sure exactly how important it is to my VF. My VF has a lot to do with how well I develop my own abilities. Love has a part in that because I do everything better when I feel that I am loved.
Even so, I would make an excellent hermit. I love certain people and am loved by some people but I think that love is not closely associated with my VF. I'm sure that other people have other priorities.
MB: How important do you feel that sensual love is to what it 'means' to you to be human?
Sensuality is an integral part of being human but I don't think it is as much a part of my experience as it could be if I had more postitive feedback from others.
MB: Of the two choices which incarnation do you feel you do the best at ( or have done the best at ) being male or female? While I know all incarnations are happening at once ... if this were not so and you were to chose would you comeback male or female and why would that be?
Being male at this time, I feel that I do very well at being male. Perhaps I would do as well as a female? I don't feel a noticable preference for being either gender.
Which gender to choose? I think that would depend on which world/era I chose to live in and it also would depend on what challenges I chose in life.
MB: Can you sing (in tune)?
I think that if I did not smoke cigarettes, I would do quite well. As it is now, I do not have much range.
MB: Not that you are not perfect, but if you were being critical of yourself what would you say your main area of challenge character wise is?
It is said that you can't win if you don't play the game. I need to play more often. When I try things I find that I do very well but I do not try enough things. Maybe I have a belief that I can't lose if I don't play the game? I see that as a challenge. Also, I tend to give up on some things if I don't succeed brilliantly the first time.
MB: What do you really like about yourself ?
I mean well.
I like to help people if they are willing to try.
I'm a dreamer and an idealist.
I never really run out of things to do inside my head.
I am not a good follower.
I'm sure that I could think of more.
MB: What are the 7 things that matter most to you in life here?
(In no particular order)
Life should be interesting
Seeing loved ones be happy
Personal growth
Knowing interesting people
Exercising creativity
Freedom
Knowledge
MB: When you look at the world do you think that humans are doing 'a good job'?
I'm not sure that we are here to do a 'good job'. We are certainly doing a good job of being human.
What is our job here? From the viewpoint of our greater selves perhaps our job is to experience, and we are doing a good job of that. From our viewpoint as focus personalities, we must have different priorities.
All things and all conditions will exist in somewhere in ATI. Currently, we live in a part of ATI that seems to have certain flaws. Some of these flaws seem to be our fault. There are wars, pollution, hatred, overpopulation, hunger, etc.
It might seem that we are halfway along the road between barbarism and Utopia but that is an illusion created by our use of linear time as a yardstick. It might seem that, as time goes by, we are becoming more civilized and are better humans than our ancestors were and in the short term, that may be true. But in the long term, I think that there are cycles of civilization.
Some ancient societies were every bit as cultured we are, minus the technology. Native Americans were better stewards of the planet than we are.
To sum this up: as a world society, we could do a better job. As individuals, I believe that we are doing what we came here to do.
MB: Do you ever feel that Jane's message of the practicing idealist while worthy is ultimately impractical?
The dreams of an idealist can never be fully realized in physical reality just as value fulfillment can never be fully realized. If it were possible, we would have to come up with new dreams, which would then need to be realized, and so on. In that sense, being an idealist is impractical because the job is never done.
However, just being a practicing idealist will help you to be true to yourself and that will have it's own rewards.
Idealism seems to be impractical because ideals are often not materialized and that causes frustration, which leads to cynicism. As long as you realize that ideals are not always manifested, then you can cheerfully continue being an idealist. Being a cynic or pessimist is definitely impractical because such thinking will color your life and make you unhappy.
MB: If you died today would you feel that you had done everything you wanted to?
Of course not, though I might feel that I had done all that was practically available to me in this life. With all that is available on this one world, is one life ever enough?
I wanted to walk on the moon. I want to visit a tropical island and walk along the beach all by myself. I want to pilot airplanes. There are many things I would like to do but I'm not sure if I would want to live again in order to do them. How nice that we have other focuses through our greater self.
MB: If you could live without fear and if you could have total trust how would you live the rest of your
life?
I would quit my job and write for a living. I would travel a lot. I would look for interesting people.
MB: Do you ever feel someone is watching over you?
I used to feel as if I was being watched but not necessarily watched over. As if someone was watching and perhaps grading me on my performance. I didn't feel paranoid but I never really felt alone. I don't feel that now; I suspect that I have just gotten used to it.
Kris said to me "Do you not, at times, perceive that there is almost like a presence near you, that comes and goes?" and also "...it is, in our perception, a long associated friend of your own source...". Is this what you mean by your question, Miss Blake?
I intend to ask Kris a lot more questions about this. I think it is vitally important to me right now. If anyone is interested, that Kris session is posted at Krischronicles.com and it contains information that might be of interest to some.
MB: What are your hopes for the New Age Writers group and what do you think is the role of poetry as a means of communication?
I joined Sethnet less than a year ago and shortly afterward I posted my first poem. At that time, my idea was to open up or widen channels of communication with my inner self. I wrote more poetry and met others who were writing poetry also. After a while, it seemed that with so much creativity going on, it would be interesting to concentrate it in a smaller group with a focus on writing and poetry. Also, I considered many of my writings to be off-topic for Sethnet and I didn't want to distract from the focus there. I asked Dan what he thought of the idea and he said it sounded good, so we started the group.
So, I see Nagew as sort of a creative thinktank and also a watercooler for us to hang out at. We write, comment on our writings, throw out ideas and just gab. It is my hope that all who participate will become better writers in their own view. I also hope that those who just read the posts will someday amaze us by starting to post their own works. I didn't think I could write until I just decided to start doing it.
I asked if members wanted to participate in a writing event where we would pick a topic and write about it in whatever form we chose and many said yes. Anjha came up with the subject for the event: her Creative Revolution. For me at least, this writing event has shown me that I can write more easily than I thought I could. The writings by other members have been fantastic. I think 'The Revolution' will be a permanent focus in the group; one of several.
The role of poetry as a means of communication? In my mind at least, people just like poems. I am able to put ideas into verse that don't come across the same in other forms of writing. When I write the answers to these questions, it is my outer-ego doing the talking. It is intellect at work. When I write poetry, I think my inner self is communicating and people respond to that in a different manner because the material touches them at a deeper level perhaps.
Thank you, Miss Blake, for your most interesting questions!
Tis the Season [To All]
by Wendy Jones de Geofroy (sistah seth)
Tis the Season
For Giving
To 1&2
All
It's full Winter throttle
Goodbye now to Fall
I've wrapped all your presents
from A down to Z
and carefully placed them
Beneath this har tree
There's an electric quilt comforter
Warm & Trendy
for Super Seth List friend CyberCyndy
A tall glass of ale
No make that stout
for All the Brits in our clan
Who twist & (or) shout
A Moet Chandon for Moderators All
and a shot of finest brandy expressly for Paul
A new word for "CyberSethian"
For our intrepid der Bingle
(Along with a wife so he'll stop being single)
A rhyming contraption
For poets Paulnumbers & Dan
Complete with a singing
Synonym band
Presents Galore to All Near and Far
Your name's on my list! You know who you are!
Fruits, nuts and compotes for all who are present
Wrapped in all kinds of good wishes sent
Even lurkers and wannabes all get a treat
And the best gift of all,
which can never be beat,
(& I've slaved all afternoon to make and remake)
A tremendous moist neverbeforetasted FRUIT CAKE!
The best of its kind!
Now everyone sit back
Relax and unwind!
It's time to spread Seth’s kind of Holiday Cheer
With a big fat stogie and a draught of fine beer
Our feet on the table with heads al a'spin
Creating a wonderful
Cacaphonous din
Of words on the screen
To which
Most here relate
Oh Wait!
We do that all year 'round
Not just on this date!
Well, Good tidings, best wishes and
Merriment, FULL MEASURE
I'm going to take a nap and count all my treasures
I hope that your visions are starry and bright
(Despite sugar-free sugarplums that
Don't taste just quite right.)
Love, Peace and
Endless Creatings
To All
Each poster and Non
Large Medium Small!
Enjoy your good fortunes and repeat after me
"I Love Alllllllllllllllllllll My Creations. Especially Me!"
& Happy Christmas to All and to All a Good Bite.
Love,
Sistahseth
What Would You Do With $20 Million?
compiled by Paul Helfrich
To read the original thread, start here.
From: Paul M. Helfrich
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 1:58 PM
Subject: [Sethnet] What would you do with $20 million?
What would you do if you won, earned, or inherited $20 million?
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From: Sankowski Fran
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Sethnet] What would you do with $20 million?
Give alot of it to charity
give alot to family and friends
use the rest to live a lavish life style
:-)
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From: Don
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 3:03 PM
Subject: [Sethnet] Re: What would you do with $20 million?
Hi Paul, I fantasize about this more than I do about sex.
I would build a small mansion in whatever place I decide on. It would have to have a river or stream nearby on the property so that I could put canals in my gardens. I would also need a forest very close.
I would buy a few decent vehicles.
I would send my daughter to college.
I would buy property around me and demolish any houses there or maybe keep them for guest houses. I just don't want neighbors too close.
I would invite all of my friends and relatives to accompany me on a South Seas cruise.
I would quit my job and write.
I would invest a large part of whatever money was left.
Pray for me,
Don
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From: orffyreus2002
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:11 AM
Subject: [Sethnet] Re: What would you do with $20 million?
The first thing I would do is Smile...knowing that
things had "clicked" in the connect, visualize and trust department.
Then I would have some-one make several of two different kinds of - self-rotational mechanisms that I put a lot of time into figuring out, that would pop up in interesing places upon the planet. (I have tried a variety of companies with a diplomatic, friendly and plausible "check this out" agenda-They never call back for some reason! So now I'm gonna Give em away!)
Next I would obtain a radio station that would play "the best tunes you have never heard"-There is so much good music that never got any airplay in all genres of music from jazz to rock!(I used to be a radio announcer/dj at an alternative rock station).
Then I would build something like the Botanical gardens here in St. Louis-but different of course, with a big pyramid in the middle! This would become a state park when I exit the "Earth flow-stream field-trip".
Radiant energy to all for an everchanging, fulfilling life adventure...John
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From: hollyberry122456
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:53 PM
Subject: [Sethnet] Re: What would you do with $20 million?
First I would probably burst from screaming! Then I would want all that money in $1 bills so I could fill up the back yard and roll around in it and play with it like leaves.
Then I'd get serious and make a plan. I have 3 kids that are about to graduate from college (1 in December and 2 next May) so I'd pay off
all their loans. and put enough away for my next 2 to go to college.
I'd buy a gorgous home with a lot of land and make sure I had enough invested to pay for the upkeep every year. I would set it up so that I would get a monthly draw for the rest of my life. I would donate a certain amount to charities each month.
I'd go shopping and buy all new everything. Anything I wanted. I'd go on some really neat trips. I'd take my family and friends with me (sometimes).
Have I spent it all yet?
Love,
Holly
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From: Dan Scranton Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:22 PM Subject: RE: [Sethnet] What would you do with $20 million?
First, I would wonder why I didn't manifest $30 million, as that has been my intention for some time :) Then, I would pay off all of our debt (probably around $40K). I would buy my friends' ranch in Fillmore and then give it to them (they're trying to buy it from their parents). That would cost around $1.5 million.
Next, I would buy my mom a nice house in Florida for her retirement, and I would fill it with cash so that she could buy whatever she wanted. That's about $2 million. I would set $1 million aside for my nieces and nephews' college educations. I would also buy my wife's surrogate family a house. Let's say that's $500K. So I've spent $5 million and change. I'd throw my uncle and his family a cool mill to pay off their debts (Some of which are to my father!).
I'd spend a couple million on some land, with plenty (and I mean plenty) of really big trees on it. And then I'd build a house on that land. The house would cost about a million. That leaves me with $10 million.
I think I'll get me and my wife new cars ($50,000). Probably hybrids, or electric-only, or possibly diesel engine cars. Then we could fill them with bio-diesel (veggie oil) that we would have pumps for on our property.
Then we would have to take a long-overdue honeymoon. Hawaii would be our destination. We'd hit all the islands, spending at least $200,000.
We'd both have brand new wardrobes, and I'm sure my wife would like to go to grad school. That's probably around $15,000. I've still got well over $9.5 million!
I'm going to send mySelf to mystery school. That's probably around $10,000 (for the really expensive ones, anyway). We'll invest some in eco-friendly companies who are living consciously and respecting others. I think I might put some in something that's guaranteed...like CDs or municipal bonds. I'd like a draw of around $10,000/month from my stash for living expenses. I think I can live on that! With my $10,000/month I'd eat at all the really cool restaurants, go to the movies, buy whatever struck my fancy (we have to fill our new house with stuff, right?).
I'd also travel to all the really great hikes on the West Coast. I might have to fly to get to some of them, but that wouldn't be a problem on ten g's. I'd get my poetry published in two books, and I'd get my screenplays produced into films. Heck, with that kind of money, I could easily buy my way into the publishing and film industries (not that that's the ONLY way to do it...but I'd certainly have a lot of momentum on my side). I'd shower my peeps with gifts, as I like giving people prizes. It would be my honor to share my fortune, as I know that by doing so I would keep the energy flowin'! xxxooo, -Dan
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From: Paul M. Helfrich
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:43 PM
Subject: [Sethnet] RE: What would you do with $20 million?
The three million would be invested. It it yields a 5% annual return, that's $150,000 per year before taxes. Jo and I could live comfortably on that until we pass on.
The next million would go to family, friends, a second house more in line with Don's vision, a country, rural place. Car, clothes, etc. are less important. A new Steinway or Bosendorger concert grand, new silver flute, new recording studio will find their way to my music area.
The remaining $16 million would be used as seed capital to raise a matching $16 million as an endowment for the Integral Conscious Creation foundation, a natural next step for NewWorldView.
A 5% annual yield on $32 million = $1.6 million. 10% = $3.2 million. That would serve as a startup budget to hire Foundation staff of 4-6 full and part time. There will be three main thrusts for Foundation activity.
First, fund research the channeling phenomenon using a variant of Ken Wilber's integral approach. Create a database of various channelers over a period of twenty years of research.
Second, fund research to discover how channeling has occurred throughout history in relation to the world's religions (the Zohar of Kabbalah, The Tibetan Book of the Dead of Dzogchen Buddhism, The Koran of Islam, parts of The Bible of Christianity, various tantra and sutra of Hindu Vedanta, etc.) AND how it's been interpreted (exegesis).
Third, fund research that develops integral transformative practices that include the exercises from channeled sources, including Seth, Elias, Kris, and any other relevant source.
Taken together this research may help the Seth material "take its place" in Western culture. That would certainly be a driving force in the Foundations by-laws.
Paul H.
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From: lila_play
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 8:44 AM
Subject: [Sethnet] Re: What would you do with $20 million?
I would financially support the Chelsea and Charing Cross Hospital
in London in which my father passed away -the stuff was great; Invest a sum to establish a foundation in my father´s name to enable a monthly income for students who are very bright and have no possibility to continue studying.
Pay my son´s loan and fees (+ some extras) to Harvard, Buy a villa with 3-4 flats in it. One for myself, one for my son and his partner, 2 to let. Support the Eco-research and activities. Give to family, friends and charity.
I have a film-project about the unity in different cultures. I would become very active researching, traveling, recruiting, etc..! I also would give a nice sum to Paul H. for the sethnet!
Definitely I would buy a Steinway and music- sets for a wonderful music room. Have a lot of guests(of course Sethians are always welcome!)and a Salon for scientists, artists, etc....and spend lavishly, also always giving others!
Warm regards
lila
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From: Dipingo@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 4:14 PM
Subject: [Sethnet] What would I do w/ 20 million $
yippie!!!!!
the very first thing that comes to mind is PAINT!!!!!! PAINT and give it all away if I want to. funny thing is.....I'd do EXACTLY what I'm doing now but I'd be doing it from a house/studio on the beach in Sea Ranch or Gualala, California........and I'd outfit my jazz drummer husband with whatever music studio stuff he wanted.......I'd love to have another place to paint in Italy......probably in Rome
so I could steep myself in all that mind boggling gorgeousness. Then in memory of my son who died of cystic fibrosis.....I'd give 5 million of it to a foundation for people who need lung transplants but can't find a way to it because of finances.
My parents and my husband's parents have moved off the mortal coil so they don't need anything......friends can have whatever they want. At that point....I've probably spent a bit over half of it......the rest...I dunno...I'll think of something because I''ll be living for a VERY LONG time and I'm sure something will come up. Happy Thanksgiving! love, Wendy
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From: Parabolic Mirror
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Sethnet] RE: What would I do w/ 20 million $
Hi Paul,
I have a follow up question:
If you knew you could create 20 million dollars, how would you go about doing it?
This is a good one to kick around in your head and see what beliefs come up. Would you choose instant manifestation like Sai Baba? If so, would your societal beliefs create legal problems? :) Would you choose to win the lottery? Seems easy enough, just win 40 million and get about 20 after taxes right? So, Mr or Mizz Reality creator why haven't you created winning the lottery yet? :)
Would you create something that benefits humanity, sell it at a reasonable price and reap the profits? Would you create something that was just fun, like a Pet Rock? Even if it seemed worthless, you could use the money you made for more altruistic pursuits.
Financial freedom has been one of the major belief challenges in my life. I've learned that at least part of this challenge comes from stimulating my own inner creativity. If I had won the lottery 10 years ago, I think it would have actually hampered my writing career, even though I would have had more free time to actually write.
Being between a rock and a hard place money and workwise has helped me grow as a writer. I believe I'm actually in a place now where a sizeable influx of cash would be very helpful in launching me into the life I want to be living.
As Wendy said in her post, I would be doing many of the things I'm doing now; I would just have more time to do them and have the money to invest in new equipment to really help us along. For example, both Kristen and I are using outdated computers, this is particularly troublesome for Kristen, since she's an artist and works with graphics. For me, the demands of a forty hour work week are seriously interfering with the time I want to be writing, studying and exploring.
I would like to create a nice chunk of cash to move us along, maybe 100k or so; :) then actually become a millionare through my own creative endeavors.
John M
PS With 20 million I would love to found a real life "Hogwarts" school for teaching and exploring various aspects of consciousness, manifestation, channeling, divination etc...
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From: Paul M. Helfrich
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 12:07 PM
To: sethnet@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Sethnet] RE: What would I do w/ 20 million $
Hi John M.,
Hi Paul,
I have a follow up question: If you knew you could create 20 million dollars, how would you go about doing it? This is a good one to kick around in your head and see what beliefs come up. Would you choose instant manifestation like Sai Baba? If so, would your societal beliefs create legal problems? :) Would you choose to win the lottery? Seems easy enough, just win 40 million and get about 20 after taxes right? So, Mr or Mizz Reality creator why haven't you created winning the lottery yet? :)
I approach this in one of two basic ways, one of scarcity and one of abundance. The scarcity beliefs are a magnet for doing without or with less or not enough. When abundance is considered a scarcity then it remains so. As I understand Abe's "law of attraction" and Seth’s "the point of power is in the present", when scarcity beliefs are concentrated upon, scarcity is created.
The beauty is that I can be a millionaire in terms of finances, but still be impoverished. Think of the Scrooge story. Or I can be rock or movie star famous and still not be a love millionaire. Think of many commercially successful pop/rock bands and the average Hollywood lifestyle. Sooooooooooo, the flip side is abundance. I look around mySelf and see what my needs are and are they taken care of? Do I have basic shelter, clothing, health care, satisfying relationships, financial resources and savvy, creative challenges, spiritual widening? Those are basic human needs in which the foundations of abundance blossom. And that's the framework for the original question in this thread, an assumption of abundance, a visualization of simply having $20 million. I know, more or less, exactly what I'd do with that sum of money. As to why I haven't created this yet, I can only say that I haven't, but believe that knowing how I'd use it to benefit mySelf and others make it more probable the I will manifest it, whether it's through a lottery, which I play regularly, an institution, which has access to various funding sources and projects, or a business venture.
Would you create something that benefits humanity, sell it at a reasonable price and reap the profits? Would you create something that was just fun, like a Pet Rock? Even if it seemed worthless, you could use the money you made for more altruistic pursuits.
The ICC Foundation I outlined is an altruistic and idealistic endeavor. I believe a scientific study of the channeling phenomenon can bridge science and spirit, psychology and theology, in a big way and provide insights into the dream-art science of conscious creation.
Financial freedom has been one of the major belief challenges in my life. I've learned that at least part of this challenge comes from stimulating my own inner creativity. If I had won the lottery 10 years ago, I think it would have actually hampered my writing career, even though I would have had more free time to actually write.
I have that financial freedom right now, but I do live a simple, scaled down life style. However, "financial freedom" is a tricky belief system too. It can lean toward self-fulfilling scarcity or lack beliefs that perpetuate the perception of financial "slavery." Some millionaires believe they don't have enough! They want to be billionaires, so within their own beliefs they live in scarcity. This is how powerful and relative our beliefs are. There's no single answer or expression that defines scarcity or abundance.
Being between a rock and a hard place money and workwise has helped me grow as a writer. I believe I'm actually in a place now where a sizeable influx of cash would be very helpful in launching me into the life I want to be living.
As Wendy said in her post, I would be doing many of the things I'm doing now; I would just have more time to do them and have the money to invest in new equipment to really help us along. For example, both Kristen and I are using outdated computers, this is particularly troublesome for Kristen, since she's an artist and works with graphics. For me, the demands of a forty hour work week are seriously interfering with the time I want to be writing, studying and exploring. I would like to create a nice chunk of cash to move us along, maybe 100k or so; :) then actually become a millionare through my own creative endeavors. John M
I wish you the very best in your pursuits and know that you will create suitable changes toward this end.
PS With 20 million I would love to found a real life "Hogwarts" school for teaching and exploring various aspects of consciousness, manifestation, channeling, divination etc...
My ICC Foundation is a variation of this John. When it grows financially, it would also be nice to add a training/teaching center for channelers. Despite our threads about future probabilities on this list, this is something that could benefit folks with this talent in this now.
Happy Thanksgiving,
Paul H.
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From: pacemdea
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Sethnet] RE: What would I do w/ 20 million $
just chomp on a grilled cheese in a way that creates an IMAGE of say a face on it!?!?! HOW HARD IS THAT? LOL
ok ok well not an image of the Virgin Mary per se (already been done and sold for 28 grand recently!)....but how's abouts a Seth Grilled Cheese mit Onions?
happy thanksgiving for those fortunate enough to celebrate this best of all holidays
sistahseth
(who can't even imagine a grilled cheese sandwich after 2nds on the homemade punkin pie)
One Man's Devil Black Spider is Another Woman's Harmless Black Argiope?
by Wendy Jones de Geoffroy
In late September, a large black & yellow spider wove her intricately architected web on the outside of one of the paned window panels next to the french door leading out onto the deck in my backyard. (Yes, the same back yard in which the large black moose co-habits with me.)
At first I was bothered by it, as it was such a huge web and she was such a HUGE spider. She often sat in the middle of her web, awaiting her prey. Ssome days she'd be down on one side....waiting patiently for the morning meal. But, she had planted herself there - RIGHT SMACK DAB IN MY PERSONAL AND PREVIOUSLY 'UNOBSTRUCTED' VIEW! (Or so I thought.) And in such an 'obtrusive' way that I could no longer just casually glance outside, completely oblivious, without confronting her. Mano to mano?. Er. Face to face? Web to web?!?
At first, my thoughts were of how best to kill her and get rid of the web, and be DONE with it. But, thankfully, higher thoughts prevailed and we eventually became contented traveling companions. Learning much from each other along the way. In that brief flight from here to now.
For over a month I'd get up in the morning and head straight to the family room to see if she was still there. Imagine. That huge round, perfectly formed web had been completely re-created overnight. Over and over and over again. Each and EVERY night. While I slept, in my utter, endless & much needed oblivion of the dreamtime.
While I slept, she'd been working her ass off (do spiders have asses?). Was it all just to give me a show upon arising? Wwas she some sign or symbol to me to help me figure out current synchronicities (consiously aware & unconsciously unaware of)? or was she her own separate entity. There for her own mysterious purpose?
She was a common variety garden spider, just like me. Some mistakenly refer to her as a banana spider. but that is their confusion. She really isn't an exotic. My spider is a black & yellow argiope. Perfectly harmless. Truly. An angel, actually. She really does have her purpose in life. She does many good deeds. She's not evil.
Hell. How could I have ever even thought of killing her off?
She was there for Halloween this year and I didn't even have to haul out and string up the fake synthetic white spider web with plastic spider, as I had done formerly, each year, as my sons were growing up. Before they all spread their wings and headed off to college and left me behind. Waiting and looking forward to their return.
The true banana spider, on the other hand, is a deadly, poisonous "evil" spider, indigenous to south american climes, who sometimes travels to other worlds - including ours - while hitching rides inside banana crates. She bites the hand that tries to feed on her bananas. and poisons all who dare to get close enough for her to do so.
People are afraid of banana spiders. Some, like Paul's chaplain/priest, think spiders, most especially black spiders, are the devil. Evil.
("You get what you focus/concentrate on")
So, we fell into a kind of pattern. much like that of long-time co-habiters, she and I. And soon, after several weeks of admiring one another curiously, we had lapsed into a kind of expectancy of our own that we would both just 'be there' for one another. Keep each other company. Companions. We had come to acknowledge each other daily and share our telepathic thoughts with ease. Effortless, with time.
Little did I know just how much I had come to depend on her to be there for me. Good company and happily oblivous to any particular meaning of our mutual co-habitation. All meaning is inherent. But all meaning doesn't have to be consciously lucid. Now, does it?
Iit wasn't until that morning when I awoke and walked into the family room to greet her and saw the huge round empty white web abandoned of its self-created prey that I realized how much she had come to mean to me. Now that she was gone.
And, where the hell did she go??? What seemed like weeks on end since her arrival now seemed like time had skipped several tracks on fast forward.
And now, in her absence, I found myself starting to fret about her. Had some large beaked astronaut swooped down in the dawn, snatching her up in one greedy, selfish gulp? Or, and even harder to ponder, had she merely moved on to a new location? Bored with my sameness and predictability each day. Tired of the same-ol'-drab-variety-moth-fare that attracted itself to the floodlight turned on each night. just above & to the right of her web.
I feared for her existence. (Fear is always my initial reaction to things.) Then I feared she had abandoned me. And alternated between those two states for some time to come. At least where my spider was concerned.
It's been about 3 weeks now since she left and some remnants of the web are still intact. I refuse to clean that window.
I've somehow incorporated her into me, as all good friends and fellow travelers tend to do. She keeps me company, constantly, & is ever-present in my dreams. Asleep & awake.
SistahSeth.
[ps thinking about the ancient rituals of spiders and the interconnectedness and good and evil and webs and such, while writing this today, reminded me of another thought i had had the other day ..... that way back in ancient civilizations, when science did not hold the upper hand in the consciousness of the people, they believed in all kinds of things that we today would dismiss as myths, superstitions, etc. etc. but perhaps those things we have read or heard about that they believe happened 'back then' actually did happen.....because they believed in them. the pyramids were built, after all, were they not? etc. etc. (but how?)
if now we believe we can only fly with the aid of physics and aerodynamics and big metal birds, perhaps we'll never (re)learn how
to do so, all on our own. without them.....]
Desperately Seeking David
by M Blake
The first time I saw David I was under whelmed. Here was Michelangelo's great triumph, the classical epitome of male beauty. Ungenerous in his manhood but what matters that? This was Man. However, being somewhat curious about the things some humans consider important, David being one of them, I looked and ponderedÂ…is there a message' for me?
In spaces, I have a feeling of a `knowing' being just within my grasp. All I need is reach out. One of those teasing nuggets that TSM is sprinkled with is that information is a form of aware consciousness and it moves towards those that desire it. I desire it, even so I often-such information slips away. That's how it was with David. He played hard to get.
I wake each morning with 'Artist ' tattooed to the inside of my eyelids. I see that first. It sets the tone for the day. It is a native way of being. I blame my family; Sumari entities can be that way.
Sumari (Sum-mar'-i)
SETH: innovators, naturally playful, humorous, relatively unfettered. They are impatient however. They will be found in the arts and in the less conventional sciences.
Rob Butts:"to provide the cultural, spiritual, and artistic heritage for the species."
Actually Seth was being Kind; there are few other adjectives I could throw in here for those of an artistic temperment.
And here is something more from Robert Butts:
Is the Concept of 'Families' Really Discrete?
Jane said: "We regard Seth’s material on counterparts and families of consciousness as excellent explanations - as thematic frameworks that help us perceive and organize aspects of our greater reality that are ignored by conventional academic disciplines. Seth’s explanations stand for aspects of reality that usually escape us." [Rob's notes, session 737]
And this part is from Paul Helfrich:
To further understand the concept of 'families' try to imagine the psychic reality of the collective consciousness; sort of like the science fiction species - the Borg - from the TV series Star Trek. But imagine that this human collective is psychically related and holds the ability to communicate telepathically and clairvoyantly.
Next, try to imagine the reality of six billion human beings as individuals that make up this vast group. If you were to think of this group, figuratively speaking, as a Rainbow of Consciousness, then each discrete color would represent an innate 'family' leaning or intent. When viewing this Rainbow from afar, you can't find the exact place where red ends and orange begins, yet you can clearly distinguish both colors.
As your vision zooms in each color also reveals infinite shades of gradation and the edges, that seemed separate from a longer distance, literally disappear. So the foundation of nine can easily be extended into an infinite spectrum with plenty of room for individual variations. Therefore, we really aren't limited to nine discrete 'colors'.
From: The Nine Families of Consciousness
Or to cut a long story short if you have been told that you are self-absorbed sort, all temperamental who only thinks of art: 'you might have been born that way', take comfort you are only acting in accord with your nature. More on the Sumari in sessions 736 - 737.And remember:
"The names and designations aren't meant to be taken too literally; these aren't to be interpreted as esoteric clubs but as natural psychic 'conglomerations' to which we all belong." [Session 737].
Some artists, be they painters or writers often begin with intentions of communicating to others, through their art a great truth they have stumbled upon. Some have a mission to change the world or at least their community through their art. I could call them artistic missionaries. But, these community artists have a place in the psychic scheme of 'Arts purposes' and are not to be dismissed. The Angel of Gateshead and other projects like it have done interesting things in the psyche of those who live in those communities
Still, I favor artists whose work was about themselves, their feelings their hopes and dreams, who did not laden their art practice and hence the finished art object with any missionary zeal. These are the artists who return me to myself.
They are termed narcissistic, that word again, but that critcism of them arises in part from a past where artist were thought to be given a gift by the God and exhaltorted to use it wisely. for the betterment of humanity. And with that direction was the implicit belief that art has a quality that is (or ought to be) uplifting and good for the human spirit.
To me the art has no such duty, nor is it a calling, it is simpler than that. It's just a natural way of being for someÂ…to make things, its like breathing. Self-expression saying as a child would this is me. Or this is what I feel or this is what I think. Also this is what I amÂ…but that comes later. This is I in my creation, I give birth to my multitudesÂ…or to David.
Thus I cannot distinguish David from David's maker. When I see David I see Michaelangelo. Someone who expressed some thing or event in his own fashion, to his own liking and likeness. This is what I see. I like to think I see with `wide open eyes. That does not mean that I understand what I see, that is another skill entirely.
If The Seth material awakens anything in me it has been questions and not answers. I cannot think of myself as the artist that molds the creative force of the universe, (I know some see themselves in a less active role, they are vessels into which divine inspiration pours ) and then proceed to suck on Seth as a child would it mother's nipple.
When I see The Seth material, I see Jane. Her expression of her abilities (nor do I forget Rob) creativity. Jane is a very interesting Kettle of fish. Those weird abilities of hers; now how did she do that, and why? And how did Michelangelo get create David out of a lump of rock, a project that had thwarted many before him. And David was the one who slew goliath and the world with its limiting beliefs can be no less goliath like when it transfixes with it official version of reality. Is there a monster to be slayed? Jane created and left. The Seth material remains, existing now for others to ponder over; mis-interpret, interpret, turn into dogma, try to establish propratorial rights over or make a mess of.
In Michelangelo's day sculpture was considered the finest from of art, to them it mimicked divine creation. And as oft repeated 'the image was already in the block' all it took was the hand of Michelangelo to release it. If only it were that simple.As in thinking that all TSM says is chant is 'I create my own reality'and thus it happens. Conscious creation consists of more than that . Imagination released the image from the block, as did skill. Michelangelo did not sit there a-hoping and-a-praying' that David would pop out if only he believed in David enough.
When I read Seth and do an exercise or two, I find my sense of self released from the less desirable attributes and beliefs regarding what it is to be human. Those limiting beliefs can beas rigid as and as embracing as the block of marble, which encased our dear David. I think there is more, that one is not just an expression of the creativity of some Uber Artist but the personification of Creativity and all that stands in the way is 'seeing' clearly.
How can the artist give us back ourselves, or some clear seeing? Or does the awake artist remind others that they are more than they recall. If any person can find the air knocked out them, or was for a moment startled when they came across a work of art, read a poem, heard music is it the artwork that they are reacting to? Or maybe something within the person in that moment remembers itself.
Night Watch
by Don R. Johnson
I Am the Starburst
So I dream this dream with you, my friend.
Though it was decided that we should start here,
the future is open now, if we only knew.
We agree that a house is a house. However,
if you look aside, you will see many variations
of 'house' stretching fore and aft into the timehaze.
We play the Play. I wink and you pretend not to see.
Other times, I am most serious when you are playful.
What is time? It is our means of framing experience.
What is it this time? Is it your plan or mine?
Whatever...I'll play your game or you'll play mine,
as long as you and I both know it is our decision.
I think I have forgotten the rules of the game.
That is why we have this thing we call death,
otherwise we would get caught up in a child's game.
Some quest after immortality; what a joke! Why prolong
an experience after the punchline? Rather start anew,
with another idea: that is true immortality!
The poor serious playthings of my imaginings;
I create them for the least of reasons, to experience.
After they are done with it they crowd me with questions.
How many versions of myself are there and who keeps track?
It is a starburst shape with me at the center, tendrils
reaching into realms that cannot be tracked by ego.
There is a greater me who knows; it holds the strings.
But I am not just a puppet. After the original purpose
is fulfilled, I am free to become my own master.
Starburst tendrils reach into this world that you know.
At the end of the energy-tendril is the me that you see.
You see the shell but not the precious loving being inside.
If you could see what is inside, you would know that
you are just as vast and endless and undying and wise.
And then the game would be revealed. That's why we're blind.
Now I tell you that, when this is done, we will take time
to go over the thrills, chills and spills. Every question
will have it's answer and then we stand together and smile!
Tis the Season to be Humble
by Richard Deming
Us Seth, Elias, and other M/D personality investigators and believers--who know that Christ didn't even succumb on the cross--probably have a difficult time with the true spiritual aspect of christmas. Master Event? What is Dad trying to say? Accepting life on its terms is supposed to be the easy way out or rather "going with the flow" versus trying to swim upstream. As Seth says that life here on Earth should be & is, if you let it, a piece of cake, I find existence very humorous on a daily basis. I am not lucky--I believe in most M/D personalities teachings.
Not to proselytize, exude, or preach my beliefs is tantamount to me having an inside joke on the rest of humanity! Or so it feels at times. Accepting this time of year is quite Fun in many ways, obviously. I truly love to feel & practice this Christmas spirit--especially the spirit of giving (and taking!)--and proves to me that maybe I shouldn't take my Beliefs in some things to seriously. My grain of salt, Paul H., is getting on my hands and knees at church? and pretending I'm speaking to God instead of my IS, to whom I know I'm always requesting assistance!
Playing one-up on my family is definitely not to my liking or my cup of tea, obviously. Christmas time, New Years, Easter, Fourth of July, Martin Luther King Day, etc. like most other RA's?, has changed dramatically since my first Seth book 10 years ago. Trying to practice what all M/D energy personalities exude, is a study in humility--at times.
Anyway, is it too early to wish everybody a Merry Christmas?
Humble Richard
The Unkown Reality Vol I & II
A Book Review by Bobby Matherne ©2000
Frequency was an interesting 2000 movie on many levels. If you watch the movie, you can see the multiple changes occur in the present 1998 time of John's life as he has a conversation over a ham radio with his dad living in 1968. Each time one of those changes occurs in his life, John is the only one who is aware that a change has happened. No one believes him if he tries to explain how things used to be before that dramatic change.
Now imagine that in this lifetime, you are communicating with your parents some 30 thirty years in the past and they are acting on the information you receive. Each time they act, your life changes, and neither you nor they remember how it was before the change. If that is the way life truly operates, you would not be the wiser, and neither would anyone else.
This might sound a little crazy and far-fetched, but it is consonant with what Seth and Jane Roberts wrote about thirty years ago in The Education of Oversoul 7 and The "Unknown" Reality. They called it probable pasts, presents and futures. To get a flavor of how those operate, watch Frequency. To get an understanding of how this aspect of your reality works, read The Unknown Reality: A Seth Book, Volumes I & II by Jane Roberts
When I first read "Unknown" in 1979, I had not yet begun the practice of making comments in the margins of books and providing a date glyph with the comments. When I re-read "Unknown" in 1984, I had begun and many of my comments in this review stem from the notes from that second reading. Those marks in the margins are a communication from a past me to a present me: my 44-year-old me talking to my 60-year-old me.
What makes Jane Roberts' books so amazing is the tri-fold level on which they are written. First, in any book that has "A Seth Book" on the cover, as this one has, the major portion of the book contains a verbatim transcription of Seth sessions, i.e., sessions in which Jane Roberts in deep trance spoke as Seth. Her husband did the transcription, first in shorthand, and then typed up the material.
The second level comprises the Introduction, interspersed notes, eleven Appendixes and an Epilogue that her husband Robert Butts wrote to provide background to the production of the books and inside information about what happened during the sessions that he was transcribing. The third level comprises the comments that Jane herself makes about the material that she is channeling through Seth. Jane's comments are interspersed in Butt's notes, etc.
As noted by Butts in his Introduction, Seth led off with this hint at the structure of time in his 14th session way back in 1964:
[page 10] "... for you have no idea of the difficulties involved in explaining time to someone who must take time to understand the explanation."
One gets the idea that our limited experience of time makes it extremely difficult for us to comprehend its true nature, like a fish trying to understand the reality of water. After reading what Howard Margolis has to say about the barriers that Hobbes and Boyle had coming to a mutual understanding of the "ocean of air" that we humans live in, I'm not at all surprised that we would have difficulty understanding the ocean of time that we likewise live in. Somehow, in movies such as Back to the Future and Frequency we break open the tender shell of time and lay out its structure for all to see. Lacking, as we do, the ability to see our machinations as John was able to in Frequency, we believe that they do not exist, up until now.
In the book next to this next quote, I noted in the margin that Seth was pointing to his intention to create many unanswered questions. Since I wrote those words in 1984, I can now pinpoint my understanding of the "power of an unanswered question" as pre-dating that time.
[page 11] "No book entitled The "Unknown" Reality can hope to make that reality entirely known. It remains nebulous because it is consciously unrealized. The best I can do is to point out areas that have been relatively invisible, to help you explore, actually, different facets of your own consciousness . . . I am well aware that the book raises many more questions than it presents answers for, and this has been my intent . . ."
Below is another great quote by Seth, one that I would agree with wholeheartedly. From the 590th session, Chapter 22, Seth Speaks:
[page 13] "You are not fated to dissolve into All That Is. The aspects of your personality as you presently understand them will be retained. All That Is is the creater of individuality, not the means of its destruction."
This speaks to a point that Rudolf Steiner makes in many places: that the "I" or our individuality is given to us in freedom. It is the essence of our freedom, rightly understood, and it can only be destroyed by our own inattention and negligence over several lifetimes.
My fundamental hypothesis about life is that if there is a process one human being could do, then we all can do it, and are doing it all the time, out of our awareness. If we apply that to Jane Roberts' processes as described in her books, we get a hint of our own capabilities. Here's how Seth says it in his Preface:
[page 22] Jane Roberts's experience to some extent hints at the multidimensional nature of the human psyche and gives clues as to the abilities that lie within each individual. These are part of your racial heritage. They give notice of psychic bridges connecting the known and "unknown" realities in which you dwell.
Reading the above quote, I get a sense of why the word "unknown" is in quotes in the title and wherever it appears in this book: Seth is pointing out that it is not really unknown, but only appears to be unknown, up until now. It certainly becomes less "unknown" in the process of reading and re-reading this book of his.
[page 23] Here, I wish to make it clear that this book will initiate a journey in which it may seem that the familiar is left far behind. Yet when I am finished, I hope you will discover that the known reality is even more precious, more "real," because you will find it illuminated both within and without by the rich fabric of an "unknown" reality now seen emerging from the most intimate portions of daily life.
In the next passage Seth’s probable or incipient selves remind me of what Everard Polakow in his book The Soular System calls Planets or orbiting selves. Also of what Piero Ferrucci calls subpersonalities in his book What We May Be.
[page 45] Within the entire identity there may be, for example, several incipient selves, around whose nuclei the physical personality can form. In many instances one main personality is formed, and the incipient selves are drawn into it so that their abilities and interests become subsidiary, or remain largely latent. They are trace selves.
How does one get all these peripheral selves lined up?
[page 46]"In terms of energy, intent is stabilizing. There is a center to the self, again, that acts as a nucleus. The nucleus may change, but it will always be the center from which physical existence will radiate. Physically, intent or purpose forms that center, regardless of its reality in terms of energy."
Thus we have intent as the center of our being and subordinate selves that try to express themselves in all directions. In the margin of this next passage, I drew a flower with a center and petals growing from that center in what was to become for me the symbol for the Self with its subpersonalities.
[page 55] "You grow probable selves as a flower grows petals."
At this moment, 5:57 PM Central Standard Time on December 12, 2000, I am typing these words and experiencing my "moment point." Note how the concept of "moment point" helps explain the power of the limitation eraser, which some of you may not have heard about, up until now. Here's Seth definition of the phrase "moment point": [Note: Seth directed Butts many times to underline for emphasis certain words and phrases, as shown in the next passage.]
[page 56] "In your terms - the phrase is necessary - the moment point, the present, is the point of interaction between all existences and reality. All probabilities flow through it, though one of your moment points may be experienced as centuries, or as a breath, in other probable realities of which you are a part."
In Steiner's view, anything less than free will is unacceptable - to him, freedom and spiritual activity are one and the same thing. To be lured away from freedom by Luciferic or Ahrimanic spirits is to defeat our own best interest, rightly understood. Given the choice of becoming the moral automatons of Lucifer or the automatic amoral beings of Ahriman, we can do no better than to rise above their illusions of the false alternative, and seek some unpredictable solution offered by neither. [See ARJ: Angels by Rudolf Steiner.]
[page 59] "Anything less than complete unpredictability will ultimately result in stagnation, or orders of existence that in the long run are self-defeating. Only from unpredictability can any system emerge that can be predictable within itself. Only within complete freedom of motion is any "ordered" motion truly possible.
One of the most difficult things to comprehend is how a plant is able to grow from a miniature seed or bulb. Think back to Frequency, the movie, in which John, some thirty years in the future, converses with his father over the radio and tells him how to fix some problems that exist in John's time as he knows it. According to Seth, this process is not only possible, but happens all the time, without our conscious knowing, and makes up a large part of what he calls the "unknown" reality in which we live.
[page 79] "Go back to our bulb and flower. In basic terms they exist at once. In your terms, however, it is as if the flower-to-be, from its "future" calls back to the bulb and tells it how to make the flower. Memory operates backward and forward in time. The flower - calling back to the bulb, urging it "ahead" and reminding it of its (probable future) development - is like a future self in your terms, or a more highly advanced self, who has the answers and can indeed be quite practically relied upon."
This reminds me of how I used to add a year to my wife's age each year. She didn't like it, but unconsciously I was assisting her to communicate with the person that she was becoming. I wrote in the margins of page 80, these words: "Our God that we pray to for guidance and answers may be our future self who gives us the best answer for our self now! Who would object to a deterministic universe in which everything always and all ways worked out for the best? EAT-O-TWIST!" [Everything Allways Turns Out The Way It's Supposed To]
If "memory operates backward and forward in time" as Seth says above, then it's possible to remember the future. One day my daughter called me to say that she put a ring on her finger and got this incredible feeling. I suggested that perhaps she was "remembering the future." I explained that the reaction she got was due to her remembering the many years that she will have that ring on her finger in the future. With a few weeks, due to a series of interesting circumstances, her husband of seventeen years gave her that same ring as an engagement ring - a ring that they had never been able to afford before. Like my daughter's ring appeared from future onto her finger in the past to create its future existence, so also does the human grow from a fetus:
[page 88] "The fetus grows into an adult, not because it is programmed from the past, but because it is to some extent precognitively aware of its probabilities, and from the "future" then imprints this information into the past structure. . . . From your platform of poised now-experience, you alter both the past and the future, and that alteration, that change, that action, causes your point of immediate sense life."
Our body, in other words, is like a building being renovated, it is reacting to future as well as past activity in its living present moment. We, as inhabiters of our body, have been carefully taught that our consciousness exists within our flesh, and those beliefs keep us from daring to view our body from a standpoint outside of it, up until now. (Page 94)
[page 111] "Your consciousness and neurological prejudice blind you to the full dimension of physical activity. The true implications of physical action are not as yet apparent to you."
Such as the true nature of teaching in which the communication flows from one mind to another is not apparent to us, up until now. The teacher's lesson plan and her subsequent flow of words in front of the classroom are merely roadmaps for the speaker to ensure that her internal pathway of thought is followed by her and her students. When those aspects all come together the teacher becomes a tuned transmitter of thoughts and the learners become resonating receivers of those thoughts. Thus a Teacher, so Also a Learner.
This nature of teaching and learning came to me in an episode when I was reading to my wife, Del, and my mind wandered as I continued to read without any change of tempo or tonality. She was no longer able to follow me, and stopped me to ask what those words meant. Until that time, she was receiving my direct thoughts as I followed the lesson plan and spoke. When I thought of a change to the lesson plan as I was reading the canned lesson plan she received that thought and became confused as it did not match or illumine the words I had spoken.
It was then that I first discovered that, "... the importance of written words is the thought paths that they carry us and others along" as we say them; that a teacher's lesson plan is to ensure that she thinks the right thoughts as she gives her lesson to the students the next day. To ensure that she does not merely recite words empty of thoughts broadcasting from them. Lacking this understanding, we live but on the surface of things, subject only to sensory data and those pale images of the sensory data, materialistic scientists would have us believe are the meager impact of our thoughts, up until now. Seth talks about that subject thus:
[page 126] "Again, you live on the surface of the moments, with no understanding of the unrecognized and unofficial realities that lie beneath. All of this, once more, is tied in with your accepted neurological recognition of certain messages over others, your mental prejudice that effectively blinds you to quite valid biological communications that are indeed present all of the time."
From Seth in this book, I learned that the plans of architects are "precognitive events inserted from a probable future into the present." (page 140) I learned that my "thoughts and feelings are quite as real" as my cells, and that my "desires go out from me in time in all directions." But Seth is also speaking to you, dear Reader. Listen to his voice:
[page 140] "On the one hand as a species your present forms your future, but in even deeper terms your precognitive awareness of your own possibilities from the future helps to form the present that will then make that probable future your reality."
Our thoughts and feelings are quite real, but as a physicist I was taught to distrust feelings and trust diagrams. Seth must have taken some of the same physics courses I did by the sound of what he says about diagrams:
[page 221] "But most physicists do not trust felt answers. Feeling is thought to be far less valid than a diagram. It seems you could not operate your world on feelings - but you are not doing very well trying to operate with diagrams, either!
As the indigenous Southern philosopher, Pogo, once said, "What's so bad about the blind leading the blind? The seeing been leading the seeing all these years and see where that got us." What does this all mean? It means that when we use our instruments to probe reality, we can discover a reality that exists at the same level as our instruments. With our man-made instruments we are like the blind being led by the blind.
[page 226] "Ultimately your use of instruments, and your preoccupation with them as tools to study the greater nature of reality, will teach you one important lesson: The instruments are useful only in measuring the level of reality in which they themselves exist. Period."
What is the level in which we ourselves exist? Is not that level deeper or greater than the level of our paltry instruments for measuring the sensory world? Can we not do something that our instruments are unable to do, namely, to communicate with the present and the past? Are we not ready to discard the folly of Francis Bacon and our five hundred years's fall into materialistic distrust of our greater faculties as human beings? I, for one, am ready.
One last quote from this amazing book, this time from "A Brief Epilogue" by Robert Butts, Jane's husband. It is a Seth quote from the 742nd session, April 16, 1975:
[page 287] "Empty houses are psychic vacancies that yearn to be filled. When you move, you move into other portions of your selfhood."
It's been fifteen long years since I last read this book, and a lot of amazing things have happened to me. I moved into an empty house during that time and into other portions of my selfhood. I began to write reviews of every book when I finished reading it. I published several books of poems and my first book of reviews and essays. I wrote my first novel.
I began to read and study the books and lectures of Rudolf Steiner in earnest and for the first time discovered a true spiritual scientist, someone who had already done in his life what I was forming a plan to do in my life. And going back through this work of Seth, Roberts, and Butts, I have come to realize that the "unknown" reality that Seth writes about is the same reality that Steiner was able to experience and write and talk about in his almost 6,000 lectures between 1898 and 1925. If you have read Steiner and not Seth, or vice versa, you are in for a treat as you discover the insights of the other writer for the first time. This is as good a book as any with which to begin your journey. Read on.
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The SHIFT:A Time of Change
Compiled by David Tate
Official UK Publication Date – 25 October 2004
The Definitive Reference Guide to The Shift in Consciousness
We are all aware of a shift taking place in our world. What we donÂ’t know are the ramifications of this shift. This new book is about this event that is occurring to every individual on this planet. The Shift: A Time of Change (published by Contact Publishing Ltd, 25 October 2004; ISBN 0954702018) embodies this powerful new age in which we live and explains the seemingly invisible forces at play in our world today, gives the information we all need to navigate ourselves and that we can harness the power in this new era. It is termed a shift in consciousness.
This is not a political book, but it offers a groundbreaking explanation that could very well rock the world of politics. According to Elias, by 2075 governments will be nothing more than administrators.
This is not an economics book, and yet it is bold enough to question the value of finance and points out how currently we measure our worth according to paper and coins. Again, it explains that by 2075 the stock market and money as we currently know it will not exist.
This is not a science book, yet it discusses light-speed and how this is childÂ’s play to what we are all capable of...and again points out that by the mid-point of our century, what appears to be science fiction will become science fact. Time space travel will be accomplished and we will be travelling at light-speed.
"David Tate has done a fantastic job compiling an introduction to the essential information offered by Mary Ennis and Elias. The Shift: A Time of Change sets the stage for an individual and collective view of the social, economic, moral, and spiritual challenges we now face on a global scale. The central message is that our future is a matter of choice, not chance, and that our personal growth and fulfillment inevitably result in global transformation." -- Paul M. Helfrich, Ph.D., of NewWorldView.com, Sethnet and the Elias Forum.
Anet Paulina, author of Transcend the Aging Process, says, “What Elias does is offer specific, practical information about HOW we create our reality—and how we can more easily manifest it in alignment with our desires. Of the plethora of metaphysical writings available today, I’ve found Elias’s information to be the most accurate and useful.” And about the book itself, she says, “In The Shift: a Time of Change, David Tate has done a superb job of compiling and organising excerpts from the growing body of Elias material. I highly recommend this book.”
The Shift: A Time of Change-2nd edition gives us a glimpse of the coming reality.
The shift is already happening...it is just a matter of understanding it.
This new expanded version of The Shift: A Time of Change-2nd edition is a compilation of over 1,000 transcripts that have been delivered by Elias/Mary Ennis since 1995. This book encompasses the gems of that information that addresses everyone on the planet and is the definitive reference guide to the shift in consciousness. This second edition includes new material on Mass Beliefs and also includes further information throughout portions of the book for more clarity and understanding.
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Announcing New Seth Books! Volumes 3 and 4 of The Personal Sessions are now available from Rick Stack and New Awareness Network! Check:
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DAS Handbooks - A series that explores dreaming, art, and science. Compiled by Miss Blake.
UFOs and Seth’s "Observations" - A two-part series that examines the UFO phenomenon. Compiled and comments Mark M. Giese.
A Brief, Probable History of Sethnet - what/who gave birth to this group and why? Compiled by Paul M. Helfrich.
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Check out the Mindscapes Music CD: "A picture is worth a thousand words, but a song is worth a thousand pictures." Listen online to the Mindscapes CD, 22 tracks of new music from Paul Helfrich. Also available for purchase.
Cool Conscious Creation Resources on the Web
2005 Conscious Creation Calendar of Events
Sethnet Basics - get the most out of Sethnet
Seth Library - lots of free articles and material
CCSearch engine - tons of great resources, photos, articles, exercises, quotes, etc.
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Conscious Creation - explore the concepts introduced by Seth/Jane Roberts, and other sources. Hosted by John McNally and Kristen Fox.
The Elias forum - website by Paul & Joanne Helfrich contains an expansion of many of the conscious creation concepts introduced by Seth/Jane Roberts, channeled by Mary Ennis.
What if the Seth material was a foundation to be expanded later by other channeled sources? Can any perennial source ever be considered complete AND infallible?
Seth readers will want to check out:
Introduction & Overview
A Seth, Elias Comparative Overview (Updated!)
Digest: Seth, Jane Roberts
The Kris Chronicles - an expansion of many of the conscious creation concepts introduced by Seth/Jane Roberts, channeled by Serge Grandbois.
NewWorldView - provides a forum to explore the practical applications of integral conscious creation, dream-art science, and more.
Parabolic Mirror - explore the interests and insights of author John McNally.
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