This month, we interview Lise Quinn. She has been a Sethnet member almost from Day 1. This is my first interview and Miss Blake is a hard act to follow. Please forgive me as I am still learning.

Lisé Quinn was born Lisé Lynne von Aspe in Pasadena, California in 1962. She attended public school in Altadena, California. She first picked up "Seth Speaks" in 1974 or so and has been reading and rereading TSM and applying it to her life ever since. She joined the United States Air Force and studied electronics. She got married in 1980 and had three beautiful brilliant children. After leaving the Air Force she drove trucks mostly hauling asphalt and gravel, building roads and airports in Southern California. She divorced and left Southern California in 1990 over her ex's involvement in drugs and moved to Seattle, Washington. She took what she learned in the Air Force and worked herself into a position at Microsoft for 10 years. She left Microsoft in 2003 and is now at the University of Washington as an IT systems Manager for the Department of Neurology and as a student pursuing a degree in experimental digital media. Her children are grown and she has two grandchildren and one on the way.

Astrological information: Sun in Aquarius, Rising Sign is Gemini

Her favorite quote: "What a long strange trip it’s been" ~The Grateful Dead"

Currently reading: "Jingo", by Terry Pratchett

Watching on TV: The new "Doctor Who" and "John Doe", patiently waiting for the new season of "Stargate SG1" to start in July.

Current goals: a trip to Italy, Greece and Turkey with my family; Lose weight for my looks and my health; Pursue a more senior, higher paying position at UW.

Don: Hi Lise! Thanks for agreeing to the interview. Let’s get right to the questions, ok?

Don: How do you think Sethnet has changed over the years: for better, worse, just different?

Lisé: It looks like my first post to Sethnet was on Fri Oct 2, 1998 10:40 am. Before this list there was Alfredo's Sethworks, and before that Ken Parker's Sethworks on Digex.net. So I have been on these lists and watched people come and go since 1995 or so.

In many ways, Sethnet has stayed the same, a steady inflow of people new to Seth or new to lists about Seth. In addition, a steady constant of a few very old timers who just look in for the most part, comment occasionally. The one most positive change though is the absence of flamemail. I know that was a hard move to make for many. I left this list and many others for years because of the endless attacks and domination by various individuals. I appreciate the absence of these elements; one might say I have finally created a list that is how I want it to be, or at least my experience of it. Yet I do find that this list and a few others at times do indeed reflect my own inner questions, turmoil and confusion at times over trying to apply TSM to my daily life.

Don: In what ways has TSM helped you to grow personally? Can you identify any positive beliefs that you have developed or others that you have changed for the better with the help of TSM?

Lisé: TSM has helped me grow in every way, in every aspect of my life. In many ways, I saved my life because of TSM. I may have figured things out anyway, but through TSM, I avoided a lot of unpleasantness. Not only has it helped me, it has indirectly then helped anyone I have ever helped (and that has been many), it has helped my children and reinforced these concepts in my mother and uncle whose Vedanta Hindu beliefs already held the concepts TSM introduces. I was raised in a rather eclectic household with influences from all over the world and all over the board spiritually. My maternal grandmother was an artist, a Religious Science minister and a witch, my grandfather a psychiatric nurse turned Youth Parole Officer and astrologer/philosopher. My family was also heavily influenced be a great-great grandmother who practiced Vodou of a New Orleans flavor. It was not hard for me to accept TSM the ideas were familiar.

Don: Are there certain topics of discussion that you are interest you more than others?

Lisé: For the most part, I am interested in the practical everyday application of TSM. How do we respond to the world we live in through 'Seth-colored' glasses? Do people make positive changes in their lives using TSM? What does and does not work. I am aware of other expressions of myself to varying degrees, and they are doing fine with out this particular self 'supervising' them, I have less interest in exploring past lives or alternative dimensions then I once did. I say this yet I have been training in shamanism for the past 7 years now, much of it done in the otherworld. Maybe this current work is still too deep for me to verbalize.

I am very interested in the physics side of TSM. Some of that material was easiest for me to digest, as it was not so unfamiliar. I have been a fan of physics all my life. One of my personal heroes is Richard Feynman, a Nobel prize winner who hung out with the likes of John Lilly, Robert Anton Wilson and Timothy Leary and a crazy little dwarf artist named Jiry Zorthian. I met Feynman at Zorthian's where I kept my horses when I was 10 or so. We both lived in Altadena, CA. The stories I could tell you about Zorthian! ( )

However, to list off topics I would say "where Seth and Physics Meet Today". "Productive communication with rest of the creatures on this planet"; I think the more we can communicate with them, the more respect for them we will have. I am also interested in list members' oversoul experiences and interactions.

Don: Do you work with Seth’s exercises, and if so, have you noticed any improved use of your inner senses?

I did in the earlier years. I first read "Seth Speaks" in 1974 or 75. I would say up until the mid-80s and 90s. My life went through big changes starting in 1990 and I had no time for anything outside of working more than full time to get by, raising three kids and educating myself in my profession so I could do better, be promoted, etc. I got off that ride in 2002. I do think that because of the time spent in the exercises early on I was able to blast through creating the 90s rather well considering the challenges I created. Since the late 90s, I have probably replaced most the Seth exercises with the shamanic work I am doing. I feel the Seth exercises led me to and prepared me for the shamanic. Therefore, to answer directly yes, I think that my ability to access my inner senses and make use of them has improved.

Don: Did Seth’s statement that we live in a 'safe universe' change your life? Do you feel that you live in such a 'safe universe' and that the universe is 'on your side' instead of being against you?

Lisé: That statement had the most impact in my life. Just before coming across TSM my life with full of “unsafety” and violence; I was young, 13 or so. By this point, I was kidnapped and raped; my stepfather went on drunken rages and beat me, even held me at gunpoint, and these are just some of many events of violence in my life at that time. I did come through most of these events unscathed; something TSM reminded me of which helped me accept this belief. To come to terms with things the concept of a safe universe helped a lot and later in life I believe it helped keep my children and myself safe in a very crazy environment. There were a few years in the late 80s spent around meth labs and biker gangs. I really walked a thin line in my teens and twenties.

As Van Halen said:
I been to the edge
And there I stood and looked down
You know I lost a lot of friends there baby
........

Don: Do you feel that you consciously create your reality or do you attempt to alter events as they occur? In other words, do you feel that you definitely initiate events or do you respond to events or a bit of both?

Lisé I feel and know I create all that I experience. Nevertheless, I do not always do it consciously. I do not consciously make my heart beat, but it beats well all the same and I trust it to continue to do so. I make the big plans, and I allow that the details will be taken care of, much in the same way (I think) that one does when preparing to incarnate. I also respond to the events and experiences I have created, and do so at varying degrees of conscious awareness. At some point I began to feel that to try to control/create everything consciously took up a lot of time and mental space and did not allow for the broadness in variety of solutions, as I was trying to control how an event or a desired outcome unfolded. That seemed to bog down the process, making things take forever! I think I trust my unconscious self a lot more as I get older.

Don: Seth and Jane had a lot of material to cover and a finite amount of time in which to do it. Is there any certain area you wish they had addressed or spent more time on?

Lisé At first I was so mad that the books ended. I was excited and wanted to stay in that fascination and awe mode much longer. Then I really began to appreciate how much of their lives Rob and Jane used as examples, how much they opened themselves up to the world for scrutiny and examination. I realized that it was over, the play was done, and it was a natural ending. It really needed no more to express itself. I think that the body of TSM is complete. There will be other material that goes further (once we can imagine what further is), but really, the answers are inside each of us. The conversation has been started with many.

Don: Do you have conscious knowledge of an active dream life? Do you have a definite sense of doing real work in the dream state?

Lisé Do I ever! For many years now my dreaming life has been very active. My work there is similar to here, I help to resolve things, pass information and teach. In all the work I have done in the physical life, the job was just a back drop. I may have been hired as a software tester or a truck driver, but my day-to-day activities were often focused on listening to others, offering information, compassion and getting them connected with the resources that could help them. In many ways, I act as a social worker.

I do the same in my dream life. I help some who are lost, I pass messages, and I explain things. It does not feel much different from my physical life activities. In other circles this is called shamanic work.

Don: Do you express yourself in any creative ways, (Painting, writing, music, etc.)? How do you feel that your knowledge of TSM has helped you with such?

Lisé I do not write, paint or play music creatively these days. I love these areas of expression but have not attempted to express myself in these ways. There is a lot I am saving up to do when I retire, horses, painting, writing, music, reading, and much more.

Don: Let's assume for the moment that you will choose another physical life after this one. What historical period would you prefer to live in and what types of challenges would you choose for your personal growth?

Lisé I have a problem with the way this question is phrased. Time is not serial, I am living those lives too while I live this one. I have always appreciated the courtesan life, a life of good food, good sex and good discussion.

I have frequently challenged myself by growing up in challenging childhoods, abandonment is an old favorite, abuse another. I use it to develop a sense of separateness, singularity, and a self-dependence. Love is less important than my duty or purpose.

Other lifetimes are filled with a lot of motherness. In these lives the boundaries of self are very blurry, my self was my very large family, the animals I care for, the congregations care for, the cities I care for; they became my self. Love is unconditional.

I love the lives where I am caring for animals and land, the peacefulness of husbandry and agriculture, the Agrarian lifestyle (see ).

I love the lives of travel, from port to port; I am a sailor type many times, and a train porter and a pilot, several ambassadors from several places to many more. I often am the outsider that has been accepted into the group.

Don: Do you have friends offline who are familiar with TSM and with whom you can discuss the material?

Lisé My family has believed in various “reality is illusion/beliefs dictate your experience” belief systems all my life, from Religious Science to Vedanta Hindu. We have developed a common language so that we make sense to each other when discussing such topics but they have not read TSM. I have offline friends who have read TSM and Abraham. I have friends who are physicists and mathematicians with whom I discuss such topics with and they are coming from theoretical physics and mathematics. I will talk to anyone. I don’t get any Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormons on my doorstep any more- I wonder why?

Don: Thank you Lise, for your time! We look forward to talking to you in Sethnet.

My Way Too Short Weekend
by Jan Hart

Part 1

Cayce and I arrived on time at Burbank's Bob Hope Airport. By the time we got our baggage the car company we'd hired had left, stating they closed at 9:00 PM. No problem says Cayce, who procures for us a beautiful greenish Chrysler Sebring convertible with unlimited mileage! Threw the bags in the trunk and we were off to Castaic. It was too late for us to join the early get together at Paul and Joanne's on Friday night, so we checked into the Castaic Inn, unpacked and hit the pillows.

Saturday morning it was time for the free continental breakfast. While I gathered all manner of breakfast food and coffee for us I overheard people seated at a table in the lobby talking "......nine families of consciousness......."

I quickly turned to them smiling "You must be here for the Kris Workshop. My name's Jan, very nice to meeet you." They quickly introduced themselves as Peter, Karin, Ella and Inna; the first couple from Germany and the second friends from Ukraine. I went back to the room with a feeling of great anxiety. I still had no real inkling of what to expect.

The workshop was scheduled for between 10:00AM-4:00PM, we arrived at about 9:40AM.....enough time to find seating and meet a few people.

The first person I met was Ellen Gilbert. I didn't realize who she was until after we'd met; meaning I met her as Ellen, but knew Ellen Gilbert from Paul and Jo's New World View. So that was a real bonus for me! Next I met Jo. I knew instantly who Jo was, lol! She is such an Earthy Soul and her eyes are huge pools of compassion! You could get lost in the other side using her as a catalyst! I imagine Paul feels the same way, but much stronger and much more personally. She has quite a presence about her.....I imagine the saying "Still waters run deep" is apropos to Jo.

OK. First, I must admit I was terrified. I don't know why, I just know that I was irrationally scared! If one thing would've gone a little bit "wrong" I would've bolted like a frightened deer, although no where near as gracefully, lol.

I am so conflicted. On the one hand I want to sit down, meld with the couch, and become virtually invisible. I don't want anybody to talk to me. I want everybody to act as if I'm not really there. Then again, on the other hand, I am just about ready to explode! from curiosity, from a desire to talk to and meet everybody in the room. I am bothered by a passage in Limelight, a song by RUSH "I have no heart to lie I can't pretend a stranger Is a long-awaited friend" and am amazingly and acutely aware that I am afraid I am a stranger. How would I be received at a gathering?

As I sat on the couch, unsuccessfully melding, a man walked up and greeted me, a part knew instantly it was Paul Helfrich while the other part said "what if it isn't?" Sure enough it was. That contact sort of put me at ease, he was quite busy and excused himself to greet other guests. Everybody was smiling and chatting amiably. I was quite content to sit there amongst all the good will, and was again attempting to disappear when another man walked up and greeted me. I knew it was Serge, and could honestly feel a breath of relaxation emanate from both of us.

Meeting him seemed to calm me down for a minute, and I could tell our meeting was having the same/similar effect on Serge too. No need for pretense, no need for anxiety, for this brief moment I was imbued with a sense of the rightness of everything, and while I haven't conferred with Serge about his feelings, I feel it safe for me to say he also felt imbued with this rightness. It was like in this moment I felt the same sort of scared reluctance coupled with anxiety, coupled with desire, love and intention emanating from Serge as I felt in myself.

I knew, for at least these few moments, that Serge was as scared as I. Again, I haven't conferred this with Serge. But when we met, I swear, it was the same ambivalent feeling towards this workshop coming from both of us; albeit for different reasons. As soon as we began speaking I began to loosen up. I felt this huge compassion/empathy for Serge, and I don't know if he was conscious of the same feeling for me or not, but I swear we were like 2 peas in a pod who both relaxed, at least a little, after meeting. It was almost like he grounded me with his talk, and I realized I was no different, feeling that I (having never met him before) was having the same grounding effect on him. I felt this wonderful supportive kinship from him to me, and think felt the same from me to him. Of course, I may be making all this up! I have no idea, truly, how he felt, but how I felt is truthful. So I may be wrong, but I am writing this from my perceptions, not as a reporter with a lot of other perceptions incorporated within my story. If any perceptions out there would care to comment, they are most certainly invited.

So Serge excuses himself to mingle, I am suddenly feeling pretty good about this gig. I mean, I don't know anybody, but now I feel good about it. I mean, I've always felt good about being there, but now I am not as nervous about it. As a matter of fact, my entire perception of the event has minusculey changed. Almost unidentifiably. Now, I am still a little nervous about mingling, but I am deliberately watching people, absorbing their body language, their intonations, their inherent respect and deference for Spirit.

Suddenly I am assailed with the obvious: we are all here for the same reason. Not one person is here because they disagree with the event about to occur/occurring. Every person in this clubhouse is deliberately and intentionally here. Every person in this clubhouse is here for basically the same reason; we hope to become more aware of the multifaceted uniqeuness that is our Self. Through this explorative journey we hope that we also become aware of the uniquely multifaceted individual Selves we are sharing this experience with. I am suddenly comforted by the thought of my friend Cayce, who could have been anywhere else but here had she chose, and I am overwhelmed with the gracious support she gives me.

I see her talking with Paul Tews and cellularly understand/egoically intuit this underlying kinship between her and him. I feel that in their world they have much to discuss. I get a "story" on them that I quietly sweep under the rug, not to be recalled until I start cleaning up after my weekend, lol. Perhaps there will be more on this later. As this reverie of appreciation unfolds I feel a warm hand on my shoulder, turn and stare into the eyes of an old but young soul; I knew instantly this was Mark. I jumped up, it was such a warm moment, as if I hadn't seen him in millennia or something. I felt strangely proud of him in a very motherly approving way. Sounds silly, I know, but I was so proud of him, like a beaming mother, yet here we were "meeting for the first time."

I just wanted to drink the sight of him in! I'll have to look into myself for that story, or perhaps Kris/Serge and Mark are already privy to some details? I dunno, and I didn't think to ask!

So Mark Cayce and I exchanged pleasantries and wonders for a few minutes and people got seated and we waited for the show to begin.

After a short preamble Serge took his place. A few questions were bandied about regarding the various items surrounding Serge. Some beeswax candles, seeds, water, leaves, grapes and a statuette of Ganesh. After answering these were items requested from Kris everybody was satisfied and we began with a gracious greeting, the forming of a circle amongst those present and we performed a ritual of thankfulness and appreciation with the items present, which led into a warm group chant of OM.

I've never participated in a group chant before, and all I can say is WOW! I sort of felt that with the focused intent of all participants we could have chanted any word and it would have been imbued with the same intention of the word OM, that is how powerful the focused intention of this group was. It was truly a refreshing moment. Soprano Om melded perfectly with tenor Om, and all those present were a part of this beautiful sound, this beautiful presence, this amazing energy.

When we finished there was a glow about the room, an almost tangible energy.

To be honest, I recall very little about the exacts of what we did that day. We participated in a small group working where the people in a group identified passions from their life. Past, present or future passions didn't matter, the intent was to identify them. One person wrote down the individual answers, then we collaborated to create and perform a skit of these passions, tying them into a unified thread of expression. Like New Age Saturday Night Live!

I tell you what, that was fun, innovative and unifying. It was a wonderful way to break the ice due to the request of Kris that we break away from our "friends" and make new "friends". My friends for this part were Alan, Inna, Jerry, Jo and myself. We did some crazy exploits on bringing dreams to fruition and how the dreams of all involved were required to make it happen, as well as there having to be some catalyst in recognizing that we are all united in the process and progress of our passions.

As the day closed people made arrangements to meet in Anna's room for some extracurricular activities. Cayce and I had a private with Kris beforehand, so we prepared a fruit and cheese platter with some bread and wine to share with Serge/Kris and Mark; we didn't realize that Mark didn't attend privates unless requested, so next time....

Cayce and I rented a car when we arrived in Burbank. Initially we'd reserved a small economy car, then we thought "Hey, this is our vacation and we should upgrade!" So we were gonna have a little bit nicer car. As Cayce confirmed the reservation we decided then and there that since we were in CA we should actually have a convertible, so that is what we rented. A nice ride, and just part of the seasoning for this weekend!

We arrived a few minutes early for the private. The weather had been beautiful all day! Clear blue skies and about 75-80 degrees! Paradise for 2 women from 45 degree Tacoma! As the skies darkened we sat in the car with the top down and our seats all the way back staring at the sky. Almost immediately we spotted a satellite traveling across the sky. After this we watched the sky and pointed out the few constellations we knew. Lapsing into personal reveries there came a moment of silence.

Seeing the stars so clear, so infinite, so bright in the night sky reminded me of one of my favorite TV blippetts from PBS. "The Universe has no edge, and no center....be more imaginative"

As I began to say this to Cayce, honestly, in a sort of flippant, tongue in cheek way, I'd literally only said "The Univer...................."

When directly above our heads a blazing meteor appeared! This was the largest meteor I have ever seen in my life! It was so large that it had a huge tail on it. As it arced across the sky I knew, instinctively, that I didn't have enough time to articulate to Cayce "Hey, look, a meteor!" So I just reached across the car, grabbed her head and turned it in the direction of the arc.

She is so funny! I didn't really realize how firmly I had a hold of her, and she just instinctively relaxed and allowed me to turn her head so quickly she saw the tail end of the meteor! It was amazing, really, the speed with which my hands shot out across to her, and the language conveyed one to the other, the imperativeness of the gesture and the complete network of support and trust.

I wigged out! "That was f'g stupendous! Do you know what I was going to say?! I swear to god that was f'n amazing!" I never took my eyes from the meteor as it arced across the sky, yet somehow I saw exactly where her head was! As if I had 2 sets of eyes, one on the sky, and somehow another set that independently took physical action for my intention. It was a beautiful fluid motion in perfect synch with the event above us.

I must admit that this was such a large meteor that I honestly expected to hear reports of it in the news. It was giant and literally lit up portions of the sky and ground for what had to be several miles in its path. I've taken a precursory look but haven't yet found any information on this. If anybody else hears of a report of a large meteor on the evening of the February 11th 2006, please let me know.

About 5 minutes later Serge came walking up and the private was about to begin......

As Serge went to the trailer, we sprang into action and grabbed our impromptu fruit tray and a bottle of vino. We performed a quick airing out of the trailer, broke bread and took our positions. I wasn't sure what to expect, and honestly, I wasn't sure what to ask. I wasn't sure if I should lead with questions or follow whatever it was Kris wanted to discuss. There is so much going on in my noggin all the time about reality. I don't know that I'd call it reality creation because I've never recognized a compelling need to do conscious creation. Deliberateness is not my strong point, although assuming the overall best without understanding why or how is.

Anyway, I wanted to discuss past life information and stories and my ability to capture stories. I wanted to discuss Cayce and I as friends and acquaintances from times past. I wanted to know about the meteor as an immediate metaphor for being the center of my universe, I wanted to discuss dreaming and how I wake up, I wanted to discuss the Beings I encounter in sleep, and whether or not certain objects can retain a portion of an individuals intent and be used as a dream catalyst, I wanted to ask about channeling and the process, I wanted to ask about the unification or separateness of Self as it pertains to dreams, auto-writing and channeling and whether it was aberrant behavior for me to always be myself when awake (whether in the dreaming or waking state), I wanted to discuss animals and the sharing of consciousness with other species.....but as I sat there my brain went mute.

I know there was a request for personal sessions to be scribed and posted. I think I would like to do that, and will only present a few of the key points that I recall. An interesting aside is that my recollection of what was said immediately afterward varied from Cayce's and vice versa. It was almost as if their were two conversations going on, and I really wasn't prepared even though I'd had over a month to wait for this moment.

In a nutshell, I have issues. Nothing major, just a debilitating lack of faith in myself, just a little reluctance to trust myself further. No seeming reason for it, but I'm also a cringer. I have this fear of confrontation which is almost irrational. I've attempted to get involved in "in-depth" esoteric conversations, but I'm not well read in the genre and so find myself relying on my personal experience as an exemplification of that which I know best; the Seth Materials.

I am not so bull headed (anymore) to think that the only channel around was Jane Roberts, but I am so green as to be questioning the commonality of channeling. I guess my perspective is maturing/modifying......again.......

I have a tendency to qualify what I say, as if I am afraid to state even the simplest thing. I am afraid to be pinned down because while I don't consider myself well read I have heard the phrase "situational ethics" and believe that concept somewhat reflects my life attitude. Well, I believe in them because I experience them....er, well........I experience them because I believe them. Putting words into print means freezing the essence of what I mean.

Kris suggested this reluctance to speak comes from a life where I was burned at the stake because I spoke of natural, mystical truths per my experience. Echoes of this are still ringing in my expression. I am cool with that and have had several recollections of experience I phoo-phooed in the past which lend credence to much of the "witch hunt" imagery throughout my life.

Kris' name for Cayce was Olean, while for me it was Cassie-andra (his pronunciation) not Casandra. Olean was a young lad who passed rather quickly at about 17/18 years of age. He was a gentle person given to caring for his parents. When that job was done he passed quickly. As Kris directed his attention towards Cayce and described this scenario I had such a vivid inner vision of the locale. It was a very unique experience.

Anna had a huge room, so there was ample space for everybody. I was sort of out of it by the time we arrived, so please forgive me if I miss your name in the list.

Steve, Paul T, Sherry, Inna, Ella, Anna (but of course!) Reed, John, Lisa, Jerry, Peter, Karin, Cayce and me....I think that was everyone when we got there, and I can't fill you in on the details of what was going on when we arrived, but you could hear the laughter and feel the goodwill in the parking lot. As I came in the room, mine eyes beheld a most beautiful sight......the Ouija Board! Not that I've ever been super successful on one, but I do love to play with them! And obviously I'm not alone!

We brought in more chairs, played, talked, ate (the bags of chips were circling the room all night) drank. And for me and Cayce it was very memorable and the perfect opportunity to get to know our new friends. After about an hour, maybe around 11:00 or so we went to our room for more wine, etc. with Reed and John from New Orleans.

I was so high! I mean, the rush of being away from home (I love to travel) the thrill of awakening to a new place, meeting 24 new people, experiencing a channel for the first time and realizing maybe I'm not that weird, the encouragement received from Kris, the love and joy and kinship in Anna's room, I mean I was fit to burst with gratitude!

As we sat there in our room some sort of recognition popped into my head "Reed?"

Oh my god! I jumped up and hugged the man from sheer recognition of the name! I was a member of his online group! I explained how I knew Reed, commenting upon his group, then our time with Kris and I was reveling in the encouragement I'd received all day, when I felt a story coming on. I smiled and looked over at Cayce; she looked at me and instantly knew "whattzup Jani?" I told Cayce "I have a story if anybody's interested" and let loose. It was one of the most bizarre and happy moments of my life.

So I wonder about my experience throughout the day and realize the continual presence of the people I was surrounded by and my interaction with them throughout the day, and I knew I was in an altered state. A combination of the desire to do these things and the presence of those around; well, it seemed like I just "knew" I could do a reading. Not that I haven't before, but this was different. Most of my stories come from this sudden awareness of a feeling inside me that I make into mental pictures and transcribe.

What happened that evening in our room I will never forget, even if I don't recall all the details.

I noticed the manner in which I get readings for the first (conscious) time. I realized that as I looked at Reed I could see/feel about 4 of his incarnational persona's. I knew I had a story for Reed, and I could feel all this experience wound up in one ball of energy. I deliberately focused on the energy I felt was Reed and eventually was able to start unraveling some of the Essences of Expression I felt to be behind his current Expression.

If I opened my eyes and looked at him I would go through a tunnel, or enter into a tunnel like perception and Reed would be sitting there; very physical, very real. If I closed my eyes Reed turned into a kaleidoscopic presence and I could follow one personality as it ran into the next personality. I could sense where the overlapping of perspectives merged to create the world view Reed was feeling in that moment. I could feel events from Reed's past and incorporate those events into the perception I had of several parts of Reed's.

I opened my eyes and was able to do the same thing for John, although not with as much detail. A name I gave John was of Meitzel Bragm/Bragn/Braun. Basically Mike Brown I believe. This was an interesting perspective and as both "readings" are of a personal nature I will not expose details but allow Reed and John to post whatever they'd like in regards to what occurred that evening.

The whole time I fumbled with a bottle cap, a means for releasing nervous energy I guess, lol! I know if I dropped my lid I was like a baby wanting her bottle back. Everything's fine, but if you don't pick that up and hand it back to me the world's over! I felt like I would cry if I looked at anybody I was so interiorly embarrassed!

This feeling of embarrassment is purely self-importance, I'm sure. All the doubty "what ifs" run through ......what if this isn't true, what if you're lying? what if you are just making these stories up? How do you know they are from incarnational perspectives and that you are not just regurgitating hours of PBS in a complex creative sub-conscious manner? Oh God! What if it is so totally left field that nobody hears it except as the ravings of a looney?

Well, after about, I dunno, maybe an hour, I was done. All the feelings surging through me about Reed and John were just gone. As if I'd shut a door. I could have called them back to me had I wanted, but as an experiential vampire I had what I needed/wanted and no longer required its presence. Then again, it didn't require mine any longer either.

According to both Reed and John some of what was said was pretty spot-on. I was happy about that, although the nagger in me said "Wait till tomorrow. Everything changes the next day. And in several weeks, just wait and see what they feel about it in a few weeks. I laughed at my inner skeptic and told her, "No. Not this time! You're not talking me out of what happened this time. Kris sez I need to trust myself, and it is your nagging doubt that leads me from that trust."

"come on Jan, I do not lead you from your Self trust! You know better than that!"

And in a way I did, yet at the same time I wanted to break myself into pieces parts for analyzation. I told her to go to sleep. That I wasn't gonna listen to her anymore about this. That I would use her wisdom and her cautiousness in approach, and her analytical ability; basically that I would trust her to be mature enough to allow the process to occur, then she could bemoan the illogical results all she wanted. She just couldn't stymie me any more in that she had to allow me to tell my stories whenever I wanted. She agreed.

I dunno guys, while I feel I got the best of her, lol, I somehow feel like she tricked me into that conversation. The support, camaraderie and encouragement I experienced in those short few days was enough for me to trust and admit my naturally modifying perspective. It is OK for me to identify people as collages, because almost anybody I meet has stories about them I can sense. It is an inner sense that is developing gracefully on its own as an incorporation of my psyche, or a recognition of what the psyche can do, and I will no longer doubt this perspective. I will trust my stories as to deny ones experience in this regard undermines ones ability to allow or to accept other perspectives, other nuances of reality.

Sunday morning dawned clear and bright and I again marveled at the parallel of interior and exterior weather. Cayce and I broke our fast, showered and got out the door as soon as possible we were so anxious to get moving this morning. When we arrived it was a different atmosphere then the day before. People's voices and laughter were much louder, people were actively walking here, there and everywhere to participate in little conversations going on all around, inside and outside, the clubhouse; the fountain becoming a favorite place at breaks.

People warmly greeted Serge, who was extraordinarily gracious taking the time to greet people at the door and converse lightly on this and that. I recall somebody had the Ouija board out that morning and were given the thumb's up from some spook ;o) People drank tea and coffee, nibbled on cookies and fruit. It was as if this was the most common of mornings, and I couldn't help sensing an underlying parallel to an ongoing dream series regarding University in a realm that is the physical embodiment of the Dream ArtScience I wish to express. Mentally I sweep over the room welcoming the feelings of those around me and I am certain the feelings of these people have been known to me before; some more than others, and honestly, there were some there I felt embarrassed to confront. I felt a portion of me had wronged some people at some time in my greater experience.

I noticed upon looking at some people I felt ashamed and/or uncomfortable, and there were some there I felt like I could start crying for. I knew I had sorely wronged some present. I never really addressed this perception, at the workshop, with Serge in my private, even with Cayce, as it is only as I type this passage that I recognize some of the feelings that were swarming about that day. I do apologize for actions taken by other parts of myself, but can only allow these events to become known to me and feel reconciled within me. I know it isn't up to me to feel badly about them to the point of influencing my daily perceptions, but it is up to me to acknowledge these events and learn a form of Self Compassion. Thankfully, before I could get too deep with myself, the workshop began :o)

It was Peter's birthday and we opened by singing a rousing chorus of Happy Birthday and settled into our seats to begin the group activity with another group chant. This was more energetic than Saturday's chant, and you could feel the voices of individuals rise within this cacophony, and these moments were as if to say "Hey Inna! I know you're over there!" "Om, Peter, Happy Coming of Womb Day" "Thank you Paul, for hosting the event" "Thank you Serge for Making the event" "Thanks for coming Cayce" "Thanks for inviting me Jani" "Where's my coffee!" "Is my back straight enough?" "I think I'm hearing God over here" "Ellen was a Mongolian?" "Does OM have and accent?" "Only when pronounced as AUM"

With this wonderfully united feeling Kris led us through some great exercises that led to wonderful and questionable experiences. As lunch came round many decided to meet at a local restaurant where the personal banter was carried to extremes! Seth, Elias, Kris, dreams, telepathy, personal action and experience all discussed in a pocket of psy-time. It was as if there really wasn't an hour break because we kept it going with our own momentum.

When we arrived back at the clubhouse Paul was going to hold a raffle for some ION and Parabola magazines and a whole slue of printed Elias material. I think people were reluctant to participate because it meant extra baggage on the way home, also don't know how many people realized what was actually being given away due to a lack of familiarity with the magazines Paul was offering. Due to my unfamiliarity at any rate I didn't participate in the magazines, but I did want a chance at the Elias transcripts…….so did 3 others, lol!

Without sounding like a braggart I must admit I win a lot of stuff. I haven't won the lottery yet (y'all will know when I do), but I win concert tickets, door prizes, radio contests, stuff like that all the time. Most of the time I have this sense of knowing that I am going to win it, like I just know "don't quit dialing just because it is busy, you will get through." And sure enough, I get through and win tickets to the Mid-Winter Interlude at BennaRoya Hall, or tickets to Stevie Nicks, Beck, No Doubt, whatever. This feeling never lets me down, and I think it is crazy that as I sat there in the Kris Workshop I felt as if I was the sure "winner" of the ET's. Well, when Paul drew the number, it wasn't mine, lol! I was a little stunned and thought "Well, you must be deluding yourself! Silly girl…" and on the up side, not that there really was a down side except for selfish reasons, Reed won the ET's. I thought "Right on Reed! That is so cool! Congratulations!" And that was it. No biggie, but I was embarrassed with myself for being so smugly arrogant in my "knowing" that I would have the ET's.

We then broke into small groups and again did an expression of our passions. The goal was to identify passions within the group and discover how those passions are interrelated and a person would be chosen to be the mouthpiece for the exercise…I guess it was my turn  ….at least that was my impression as I sat there with a list of a cast of characters ripped from the pages of an Oversoul 7 novel. I remember feeling very anxious as I hadn't figured out how to express all these traits into a cohesive thread, yet also very supported, as if my group was so very firmly behind me, they knew I'd do fine, and the strength of their knowing imbued me with the kaleidoscopic essence of the list and for what its worth, the words and concepts and the intricate design of these energies wrapped themselves up for me, so all I had to do was open my mouth and allow it to happen…..and the funny part for me was as if I had a timer switch with Kris in the background….and I don't know how the timing worked out, but it was the timing I was feeling in myself….so when Inna's cell phone rang even as I was wrapping up her discussion it was as if an exclamation point in my psyche, and when it was over, it as over, and I was so freakin' relieved! When I looked about at everybody present I knew I did OK and when we went back to our seats I felt very comforted by the good will of All present, seen and unseen; and boy, did I feel as if a swarm of unseen were right behind me.

The rest of the day carries on and at about 3PM or so a feeling of heaviness started to pervade the atmosphere. I knew this was partly my impression as it is how I felt, but you could feel the energy change after the last break. It was almost over, we would all disperse shortly, and maybe we would all never be together again as a group. The appreciation of lost friends found spilled over the room as we sat together, each in their own thoughts for knowing our time together was coming to a close. OK, so that's my romanticized impression, but I'm a romantic and that's how I felt ;)

We took a last break and as it neared the end Reed walks up to me and says "Jan, about those ET's, I'd like you to have them." I was floored! Really? Was he really giving them to me? Yes, he was, and he did -- I again hugged Reed; his generosity is overwhelming!

We went inside, had an hour or so of round table type discussion, and it was over……at least for those of us who had to leave. As we left, well, it took about an hour, lol! Saying good-byes and hellos, listening to Peter play his violin for us (and man, that was fun! Happiest Days for you Peter!) swarming around for a few more strawberries, to say good-bye to someone you missed the first and second times through. It was such a very fun time, and a bona fide pleasure meeting each and every one of you!

Cayce and I both have high hopes of going to Germany in 2007 to participate in the sessions over there :o) with a side trip to Spain and Morocco ;o)

“For what would seem to you to be eons, according to your time scale, men were in the dreaming state far more than they were in the waking one. They slept long hours, as did the animals – awakening, so to speak, to exercise their bodies, obtain sustenance, and, later, to mate. It was indeed a dreamlike world, but a highly charming and vital one, in which dreaming imaginations played rambunctiously with all the probabilities entailed in this new venture: imaging the various forms of language and communication possible, spinning great dream tales of future civilizations replete with their own built-in histories – building, because they were now allied with time, mental edifices that automatically created pasts as well as futures.

“These ancient dreams were shared to some extent by each consciousness that was embarked upon the earthly venture, so that creatures and environment together formed great environmental realities. Valleys and mountains, and their inhabitants, together dreamed themselves into being and coexistence.

“The species – from your viewpoint – lived at a much slower pace in those terms. The blood, for example, did not need to course so quickly through the veins [and arteries], the heart did not need to beat as fast. And in an important fashion the coordination of the creature in its environment did not need to be as precise, since there was an elastic give-and-take of consciousness between the two.

“In ways almost impossible to describe, the ground rules were not as yet firmly established. Gravity itself did not carry its all-pervasive sway, so that the air was more buoyant. Man was aware of its support in a luxurious, intimate fashion. He was aware of himself in a different way, so that, for example, his identification with the self did not stop where his skin stopped: He could follow it outward into the space about his form, and feel it merge with the atmosphere with a primal sense-experience that you have forgotten.

“During this period, incidentally, mental activity of the highest, most original variety was the strongest dream characteristic, and the knowledge [man] gained was imprinted upon the physical brain: what is now completely unconscious activity involving the functions of the body, its relationship with the environment, its balance and temperature, its constant, inner alterations. All of these highly intricate activities were learned and practiced in the dream state as the CUs [consciousness units] translated their inner knowledge through the state of dreaming into physical form.

“Then in your terms man began, with the other species, to waken more fully into the physical world, to develop the exterior senses, to intersect delicately and precisely with space and time. Yet man still sleeps and dreams, and that state is still a firm connective with his own origins, and with the origins of the universe as he knows it as well.

“... In a fashion those ancient dreamers, through their immense creativity, dreamed all of life’s creatures in all of their pasts, presents, and futures – that is, their dreams opened up the doors of space and time to entities that otherwise would not have been released into actualization, even as, for example, the units of consciousness were once released from the mind of All-That-Is.

“All possible entities that can ever be actualized always exist. They [have] always existed and they always will exist. All-That-Is must, by its characteristics, be all that it can ever be, and so there can be no end to existence – and, in those terms, no beginning. But in terms of your world the units of consciousness, acting both as forces [waves] and as psychological entities [particles] of massive power, planted the seeds of your world in a dimension of imaginative power that gave birth to physical form. In your terms those entities [particles] are your ancestors – and yet [they are] not yours alone, but the ancestors of all the consciousnesses that make up your world.”

Session 894, January 09, 1980.

“Basically, there are no real divisions to the self, but for the sake of explanation we must speak of them in those terms. First of all you had the inner self, the creative dreaming self – composed, again, of units of consciousness, awareized energy that forms your identity, and that formed the identities of the earliest earth inhabitants. These inner selves formed their own dream bodies about them, as previously explained, but the dream bodies did not have to have physical reactions. They were free of gravity and space, and of time.

“As the body became physical, however, the inner self formed the body consciousness so that the physical body became more aware of itself, of the environment, and of its relationship within the environment. Before this could happen, though, the body consciousness was taught to become aware of its own inner environment. The body was lovingly formed from EE [electromagnetic energy] units through all the stages to atoms, cells, organs, and so forth. The body’s pattern came from the inner self, as all of the units of consciousness involved in this venture together formed this fabric of environment and creatures, each suited to the other.

“So far in our discussion, then, we have an inner self, dwelling primarily in a mental or psychic dimension, dreaming itself into physical form, and finally forming a body consciousness. To that body consciousness the inner self gives ‘its own body of physical knowledge,’ the vast reservoir of physical achievement that it has triumphantly produced. The body consciousness is not ‘unconscious,’ but for working purposes in your terms, [the body] possesses its own system of consciousness that to some extent, now, is separated from what you think of as your own normal consciousness. The body’s consciousness is hardly to be considered less than your own, or as inferior to that of your inner self, since it represents knowledge from the inner self, and is a part of the inner self’s own consciousness – the part delegated to the body.

“[Each] cell, then, as I have often said, operates so well in time because it is, in those terms, precognitive. It is aware of the position, health, vitality, of all other cells on the face of the planet. It is aware of the position of each grain of sand on the shores of each ocean, and in those terms it forms a portion of the earth’s consciousness.

“... Thus far in our discussion, we still have only an inner self and a body consciousness. As the body consciousness developed itself, perfected its organization, the inner self and the body consciousness together performed a kind of psychological double-entendre.

“... The best analogy I can think of is that up to that time the self was like a psychological rubber band, snapping inward and outward with great force and vitality, but without any kind of rigid-enough psychological framework to maintain a physical stance. The inner self still related to dream reality, while the body’s orientation and the body consciousness attained, as was intended, a great sense of physical adventure, curiosity, speculation, wonder – and so once again the inner self put a portion of its consciousness in a different parcel, so to speak. As once it had formed the body consciousness, now it formed a physically attuned consciousness, a self whose desires and intents would be oriented in a way that, alone, the inner self could not be.

“... [The outer ego] is the self that looks outward. It is the self that you call egotistically aware. The inner self became what I refer to as the inner ego. It looks into that inner reality, that psychic dimension of awareness from which both your own [outer ego] consciousness and your body consciousness emerged.

“You are one self, then, but for operating purposes we will say that you have three parts: the inner self or ego, the body [sub]consciousness, and the [outer ego] consciousness that you know.

“These portions, however, are intimately connected. They are like three different systems of consciousness operating together to form the whole. The divisions – the seeming divisions – are not stationary, but change constantly.

“... To one extent or another, these three systems of consciousness operate in one way or another in all of the species, and in all particles, in the physical universe. In your terms, this means that the proportions of the three systems might vary, but they are always in operation, whether we are speaking of a man or a woman, a rock or a fly, a star or an atom. The inner self represents your prime identity, the self you really are.

“... The body [sub]consciousness is therefore given a superb sense of its own reality, a sureness of identity, a sense of innate safety and security, that allows it to not only function but to grow in the physical world. It is endowed with a sense of boldness, daring, a sense of natural power. It is perfectly formed to fit into its environment – and the environment is perfectly formed to have such creatures.

“The entities, or units of consciousness – those ancient fragments [particles] that burst into objectivity from the vast and infinite psychological realms of All-That-Is – dared all, for they joyfully abandoned themselves in space and time. They created new psychological entities, opened up an area of divine creativity that ‘until then’ had been closed, and therefore to that [degree] extended the experience and immense existence of All-That-Is. For in so abandoning themselves they were not of course abandoned, since they contained within themselves their inherent relationship with All-That-Is. In those terms All-That-Is became physical also, aroused at its divine depth by the thrusting of each grass blade through the soil into the air, aroused by each birth and by each moment of each creature’s existence.

“All-That-Is, therefore, is immersed within your world, present in each hypothetical point, and forms the very fabric from which each portion of matter is created.”

© Robert F. Butts, All Rights Reserved.

Summary of Concepts:

– In the beginning, the world and everything in it – valleys, mountains, oceans, the sky, and every species of organic life – was guided by the cooperative group dreams of every type of consciousness involved. Endless probabilities were explored and a mental framework created that began to include probable pasts, presents, and futures. This stage of development lasted for “eons.”

– Causal Aspects of All-That-Is that Seth calls consciousness units (causal field) translated their inner knowledge via the dream state (subtle field) to create all physical forms (physical field). “... these highly intricate activities were learned and practiced in the dream state.” Thus, the subtle field was a hotbed of creativity that paved the way for the emergence of the physical field.

– Every inner self (including sleepwalkers) has and will always exist in some latent form within All-That-Is. Only a small percentage of this latency can be physically manifest in any given time. All-That-Is strives “to be all that it can ever be, and so there can be no end to existence – and ... no beginning.” Thus, Seth describes the causal (wave) and subtle (wave) fields in terms of eternal qualities (no beginning or end) in relation to the physical (particle) field, which by design has beginnings and endings.

– CUs, acting both as forces (waves) and as individualized consciousness (particles), are the ancestors of every type of consciousness that make up our world. Thus, the sleepwalkers are the ancient dreamers working in the subtle field who created our universe and human beings.

– As the ancient dreamers experimented with various species and the ecosystem, they began to develop human body consciousness. There was a period lasting for eons in which the subtle and physical fields were not yet stable enough for physical reproduction and mating to be required. (In other words, the dreamtime “preceded” sexual reproduction in the physical field, and didn't require sex as we know it. Once the first cellular life physically manifest, however, physical sex was required for reproduction.)

The inner self is that subtle field aspect of the sleepwalkers that dreamed, “translated,” and consciously created physicality. We did such a great job in this process that, as we came to rely more and more on our physical senses, all of the amazing calculations and manipulations of energy needed to maintain a physical body began to recede into the background of the subconscious. In this sense, the subconscious had to stabilize before the outer ego could emerge.

Eventually we no longer needed to be consciously aware of growing our hair, digesting our food, or healing a cut. All of these issues had to be figured out in the Overall design before they could became “automatic.” Our body consciousness, which became part of the subconscious, then, represents the knowledge of the inner self “translated” into physical form.

– There is no aspect of All-That-Is – causal, subtle, or physical – that is unconscious. All aspects exist in simultaneously nested fields created by the wave/particle nature of CUs. And that is a loaded statement!

– There were three additional functions designed by the sleepwalkers so that humans could emerge. However, the apparent divisions between them are seamless.

1. inner self (inner ego, “wave focus”)

2. body consciousness (subconscious mediating layer, “wave and particle focus”)

3. outer ego (pre-egoic, “particle focus”)

These functions broadly occur in every thing and process in the physical field. Though the relationships may vary, they always operate in any quantum field, galaxy, planet, rock, plant, animal, or person. (This is another very important deep structure at play in all energy-matter. More on this later.)

– Seth closes with a reminder that All-That-Is worked together in a massive, simultaneous, cooperative venture of the highest creative expression possible. We simultaneously, as Causal Consciousness (CUs), as sleepwalkers (EEs), and finally as physical creatures (quantum fields) saw through wave and particle “eyes” that it was good! (or should I say God? :-)

Comments:

– In this segment, Seth focused on the emerging physical field. He outlined the basic “order of play” or stages of development in sequential, physical terms. For example, “The body was lovingly formed from EE [electromagnetic energy] units through all the stages to atoms, cells, organs, and so forth.” So there were atoms first that evolved into cells, which in turn evolved into organs, bodies, and nascent outer egos. And yet, Seth continues to explore our origins from the paradoxically simultaneous Causal (CUs) and subtle (EEs) fields. And this is exactly what makes this a postmodern creation myth. (More on this later.)

– Finally, a note on semantics up to this point: EEs, electromagnetic energy units, inner selves, sleepwalkers, ancient dreamers, source selves, and energy personality essences are ontologically equivalent. So these terms describe related aspects of the subtle field and may be used interchangeably.

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